erwbol Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 By all means continue the discussion. I just meant my participation has come to an end. My limited attention span has been exhausted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I know that threads going off topic is a pet peeve for some and can be an extremely touchy subject. For me i really don't mind it; conversations evolve organically and anyone can bring it back to the original topic at anytime. For some reason conversation can thrive in random places and stopping it cold to start a dedicated thread (or bump an old thread) somehow tends to pour cold water on it... and we're not exactly drowning in conversation here, so... just my two cents. Yep, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well. I actually enjoy conversations that branch and evolve. It keeps things interesting. I generally dislike linear, one-dimensional conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 A visual representation of the O Board (put me down for the diversity in threads too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the downside is that when a thread becomes as hijacked as this one has and your interest is in Bootleg vol.3....you have to wade through a lot of unrelated material to get to what you want....particularly if you have not been following contemporaneously... say you just start reading it a month or so from now... again if what you want to know about is Bootleg Vol. 3... it turns out that now it's only about 20% of this thread.... lots of good stuff here... but lots of work to dig it out. Sometimes it makes sense to start a new thread or pick up an old one. For example... I got very interested in the japanese Blue Note SHM cd thread and later wanted to know about whether the Ornette Coleman Atlantic recordings had received similar treatment....thought about asking the questions in the Blue Note thread but thought it was a bit off topic... remembered that there had been some discussion of various Ornette Atlantic reissues a few years back and decided to revive it there.... not saying you need too many rules.... but sometimes I have given up on a thread I found initially interesting because it had morphed into something else.... regretted it but stopped reading it and ultimately I probably missed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is it release day yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is it release day yet? Lon... did it get moved back? I thought that Amazon initially had it on March 4th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is it release day yet? Yes. Oh - wait - no.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Stuart, I think it might have been March 21 at first. Almost six weeks. I'll be ready. Japan has March 26 as the release date of the Blu-Spec 2 version, I have that on order as well, as the Blu-Spec 2 cds of Agharta, Pangaea and three Sade titles have so impressed me. I've waited for the official release of this material so long that I splurged to get the Blu-Spec 2. Edited February 10, 2014 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) the downside is that when a thread becomes as hijacked as this one has and your interest is in Bootleg vol.3....you have to wade through a lot of unrelated material to get to what you want....particularly if you have not been following contemporaneously... say you just start reading it a month or so from now... again if what you want to know about is Bootleg Vol. 3... it turns out that now it's only about 20% of this thread.... lots of good stuff here... but lots of work to dig it out. Sometimes it makes sense to start a new thread or pick up an old one. For example... I got very interested in the japanese Blue Note SHM cd thread and later wanted to know about whether the Ornette Coleman Atlantic recordings had received similar treatment....thought about asking the questions in the Blue Note thread but thought it was a bit off topic... remembered that there had been some discussion of various Ornette Atlantic reissues a few years back and decided to revive it there.... not saying you need too many rules.... but sometimes I have given up on a thread I found initially interesting because it had morphed into something else.... regretted it but stopped reading it and ultimately I probably missed out. You must have studied some really bizarre math, because the comment from Steve that somewhat derailed the Miles Davis discussion happen in post #153. And 152 is not 20% of 209. Edited February 10, 2014 by Scott Dolan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 According to Amazon.co.uk Miles at the Fillmore is the current #1 bestseller in Bebop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Back in the day I lived to derail threads...... IMO this turned into a viable discussion - sorry if interfered with the Mikes thread. Sometimes posts just happen for me and I don't think to post them closer to where they belong. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I thought it was a great discussion. Well, aside from the cat ranting against Hamid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I thought it was a great discussion. Well, aside from the cat ranting against Hamid. That's his modus operandi - i.e. I know more & better than any of you half-wits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I kinda figured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) He enjoys throwing grenades but I frequently agree with him. Edited February 10, 2014 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I've always enjoyed the way conversation flows around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 According to Amazon.co.uk Miles at the Fillmore is the current #1 bestseller in Bebop. Wow, so that's Bebop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) He enjoys throwing grenades but I frequently agree with him.About Hamid?I saw / heard Hamid / Fred Anderson duets live which were transcendent IMO. Sorry to derail again. Edited February 11, 2014 by jlhoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Hamid is a wonderful drummer and a friend but I fear some of the praise for him is over the top. Hamid's first studio recording (with Fred) is on my label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I've always enjoyed the way conversation flows around here. Though you and I seem to be at odds more often than not ( and perhaps accidentally), we definitely agree here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomsMobley Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Walter Johnson Granville "G.T." Hogan Frank Butler Hamid Drake is about at the same level, relatively, as Granville. Nothing to be ashamed of tho' Hogan made more good records in his time. Or is someone going to pretend Wm Parker is a "great" (even a "good") composer or that any of those Brotzmann Inane-tet records are worth a damn? Really? In a sound world of Mitchell, Braxton, Threadgill, Hemphill? (Bartok, Varese, Vila-Lobos, Messiaen?) (I only wish there were film of Walter Johnson.) Edited February 11, 2014 by MomsMobley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Wish no more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 That infield looks like the surface of the moon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 In a sound world of Mitchell, Braxton, Threadgill, Hemphill? (Bartok, Varese, Vila-Lobos, Messiaen?) Trying to figure out why the names on the left are all of living people and those on the right are not. It seems an awkward comparison which begs all sorts of questions about designating as composers people whose music is very rarely performed outside their own direction. But. if you are being serious about absolute comparisons (the Brotzmann x-tets are just FUN groups) then - is there a Braxton composition that in your opinion matches in absolute compositional terms Pli Selon Pli or a Mitchell composition that equals ...explosante fixe... ? Not 'sound world', which as I think you know is a trivialisation of questions of formal composition and artistic purpose, but in absolute terms. Is there a piece by, say, Henry Threadgill, which you consider to have the same compositional novelty and accomplishment, and the same place in the history of music, as Schoenberg op. 9? Just a question, mind you, but one invited by the comparison to concert music. Which is Hemphill's 9th, so to speak - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 In a sound world of Mitchell, Braxton, Threadgill, Hemphill? (Bartok, Varese, Vila-Lobos, Messiaen?) Trying to figure out why the names on the left are all of living people and those on the right are not. It seems an awkward comparison which begs all sorts of questions about designating as composers people whose music is very rarely performed outside their own direction. But. if you are being serious about absolute comparisons (the Brotzmann x-tets are just FUN groups) then - is there a Braxton composition that in your opinion matches in absolute compositional terms Pli Selon Pli or a Mitchell composition that equals ...explosante fixe... ? Not 'sound world', which as I think you know is a trivialisation of questions of formal composition and artistic purpose, but in absolute terms. Is there a piece by, say, Henry Threadgill, which you consider to have the same compositional novelty and accomplishment, and the same place in the history of music, as Schoenberg op. 9? Just a question, mind you, but one invited by the comparison to concert music. Which is Hemphill's 9th, so to speak - ? sorry to further derail this thread but whenever somebody brings up villa lobos the following quote comes to my mind ""Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa Lobos?"--Igor Stravinsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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