Don Cherry

[jlhoots]

Don Cherry Live in Stockholm

Don Cherry (Artist), Bernt Rosengren (Artist), Tommy Koverhult (Artist), Maffy Falay (Artist), Rolf Olsson (Artist) | Format: Audio CD

Anybody care to comment on this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F2GPPCA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

Edited December 7, 2013 by jlhoots

[king ubu]

Gave a first listen yesterday (it just arrived) - sounds pretty good I'd say, but I'm no expert regarding that era of Cherry's career ... have had the Sonet 2CD set from Universal for many years though ... good stuff!

First part (1968) is the Rosengren combo of that day with Cherry and Maffy Falay, second is a similar band with Cherry, Falay, Koverhult, Okay Temiz and prob. Rolf Ohlsson on bass ... all details here:

there's a blurb on Caprice's website, also available in english:

http://statensmusikverk.se/capricerecords/artikel/live-in-stockholm/?lang=en

[mjazzg]

Looks interesting. I have this which certainly has line-up and dates similar and with some similar titles (which markedly reduced timings) but I'm unclear if there's direct cross over

It's good but not essential

http://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-With-Bernt-Rosengren-Group-Brotherhood-Suite-In-Stockholm/release/1234996

Edited January 9, 2014 by mjazzg

[jlhoots]

Since it took a month for anyone to reply, I didn't think it was a big deal.

However, the back cover does make it look interesting.

[king ubu]

I've not played that for a long time, but remember it being messier/looser in a not that good way than the new one.

(Referring to "Brotherhood Suite", didn't catch the post in between)

Since it took a month for anyone to reply, I didn't think it was a big deal.

However, the back cover does make it look interesting.

Somehow I think Cherry's no big deal any more in general ... which is somehow sad. The long story in The Wire a few months back certainly had me reconsider, although I've not yet started to actually re-listen to his music (I've got much of the early stuff, but less of the later).

[Rooster_Ties]

Does Cherry play lots of trumpet on either or both dates? Or (judging from the line-up listing), is he all over the map with a little of everything.

FWIW, Caprice is definitely a legit lable -- I have/have had a number of classical, jazz, and even Swedish folk CD's on Caprice over the years.

Do they have any other documents of "live" jazz recordings from the 60's or 70's (I'm naturally wondering).

[king ubu]

This was planned for release back then ... so not sure it fits the "any other documents" category or was actually taped for release, specifically. It's stated in one of the two liner notes that Cherry was opposed in the early seventies (1971) to put out three year old stuff - but it's not made clear if that was the reason for it having been shelved.

I'd say it's more "all over the map", and there's also Maffy Falay on trumpet, with whom frankly I'm not that familiar yet, so I couldn't probably tell for sure which trumpet bits come from whom - but there's some real blowing on these long tracks, for sure.

[Leeway]

I had a chance to listen to it beforehand and decided I didn't need it. Maybe I'm just "over" Cherry, but the later heterogeneous playing doesn't do much for me.

[Homefromtheforest]

"Complete communion" is one of my top 10 blue notes of all time but his later stuff is more a mixed bag to my ears. I have most of it, but nothing quite fires like that particular blue note session.

I have the "organic music" 2lp and I'm guessing this CD on caprice mines similiar territory....so it's probably good but likely not something id play very often.

[Rooster_Ties]

Agree, "Complete Communion" is in my all time top 10 Blue Note list too! Similar feelings about the later material too. Love his very last studio date, though, on ECM. "Dona Nostra" iirc.

[paul secor]

Somehow I think Cherry's no big deal any more in general ... which is somehow sad. The long story in The Wire a few months back certainly had me reconsider, although I've not yet started to actually re-listen to his music (I've got much of the early stuff, but less of the later).

I used to have the Organic Music LP set on Caprice. I don't know if that was similar to this new one, but I'll say that the LPs didn't grab me. I'll also say that Don Cherry is a big deal for me.

[Homefromtheforest]

Agree, "Complete Communion" is in my all time top 10 Blue Note list too! Similar feelings about the later material too. Love his very last studio date, though, on ECM. "Dona Nostra" iirc.

Yup got that ECM disc and it is nice...it helps that I like many of the other players on that disc too! I guess I can't forget about Codona too now that I'm thinking about Don Cherry and all 3 of their albums are great as well. Plus I like the recordings he did in the early 70s with Dollar Brand, Johnny Dyani, etc.

[David Ayers]

On Spotters: Don Cherry – Live in Stockholm

[Rooster_Ties]

...plus I like the recordings he did in the early 70s with Dollar Brand, Johnny Dyani, etc.

LOVE that Johnny Dyani leader-date, which I rank among Cherry's finest.

Remind me what he did with Dollar Brand? (Thanks in advance!). And, was it all/mostly trumpet? - or another Cherry as multi-instrumentalist sort of date (which I don't mean to seem derisive about, even if that isn't my preferred Cherry incarnation).

[king ubu]

This one?

http://www.discogs.com/Dollar-Brand-Don-Cherry-Carlos-Ward-The-Third-World-Underground/release/3613693

Cherry's also on this:

http://www.discogs.com/Abdullah-Ibrahim-Dollar-Brand-The-Journey/master/529781

[Homefromtheforest]

Yes I was referring to the Japanese lp, but I've also heard some live recordings circulating around featuring Cherry with Dyani and Brand from the early 70s that are really nice...

[David Ayers]

I found the ABF session pretty wonderful. Since there are two trumpets and two saxes you get plenty of that in the form of some boppish tunes and free improv. The other session (which in the spirit of things includes children...) has not yet entered these ears.

In fact I kicked myself because I saw this in store and nearly bought it. I wish now I'd done it that way but for me with a lot of things once I've done it I've done it.

Edited January 10, 2014 by David Ayers

[David Ayers]

"Complete communion" is one of my top 10 blue notes of all time but his later stuff is more a mixed bag to my ears. I have most of it, but nothing quite fires like that particular blue note session.

Really Cherry was never musically as good as with the early Ornette bands, or at least, those bands made the most, even more than the most, out of him. When I say musically I mean in terms of harmony and melody, the conventional jazz terms. Those Ornette Atlantics really manage something that neither Cherry or Coleman did since, real richness and surprise in the harmonic journey. Cherry always played with delicacy, it was his trademark really, but where you go for depth in the musical argument after those Atlantics, I am not sure.

[Rooster_Ties]

Nearly all the Old & New Dreams dates (there's four, right? - but only four, I think) are all worth having. Some of the best 'post-Ornette' Cherry I know.

Also really liked his (few) collaborations with Sun Ra -- also a great context for him to appear in.

[paul secor]

"Complete communion" is one of my top 10 blue notes of all time but his later stuff is more a mixed bag to my ears. I have most of it, but nothing quite fires like that particular blue note session.

Really Cherry was never musically as good as with the early Ornette bands, or at least, those bands made the most, even more than the most, out of him. When I say musically I mean in terms of harmony and melody, the conventional jazz terms. Those Ornette Atlantics really manage something that neither Cherry or Coleman did since, real richness and surprise in the harmonic journey. Cherry always played with delicacy, it was his trademark really, but where you go for depth in the musical argument after those Atlantics, I am not sure.

Try the Blue Notes, The Montmartre albums on ESP, the "Mu" albums with Ed Blackwell, The Old and New Dreams records (as Rooster_Ties mentioned), and Art Deco, for starters.

[David Ayers]

I do know those records!

[paul secor]

If you know those records and Cherry's playing on them doesn't do anything for you, I guess we're just in different listening places - which is okay for both of us.

[David Ayers]

If you know those records and Cherry's playing on them doesn't do anything for you, I guess we're just in different listening places - which is okay for both of us.

I didn't say that. I said I thought that the music he is involved in with Ornette on Atlantic achieves a peak of refinement - in the music as a whole - which you don't get in any of the later ventures. So yeah I don't think his Blue Notes get as far as the Atlantics, much as I don't think this fine Caprice release does. It happens, that people peak and then fall away a bit - or a lot - for whatever reason. So that was my answer to folks who take 'jazz' Cherry over 'world' Cherry.

It *is* a fine release, this one, I suggest people hear it.

[Rooster_Ties]

Let's just say this -- early, middle or late -- I've never heard a Don Cherry release where he plays trumpet pretty much exclusively, that wasn't well worth hearing. At least to my ears.

[David Ayers]

A little gem here documents Cherry's first appearance with Rosengren in Stockholm - Spotify Various Artists – Brotherhood Suite