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Joe McPhee - Nation Time: The Complete Recordings

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Reissue of the year right here. Looks gorgeous, and comes out Thursday!

* Nation Time, the original LP, complete as issued and remastered
* Black Magic Man, the original LP, complete with two alternate takes of “Song for Lauren”
* The Vassar Sessions, 1970, six unreleased tracks from the Nation Time recording sessions
* Nation Time Preview, 1969, two concert recordings in the run-up to Nation Time
* 60-page liner booklet, full-color, stocked with never-published vintage photos
* Definitive Nation Time interview with Joe McPhee by John Corbett

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http://www.corbettvsdempsey.com/2013/10/19/joe-mcphees-nation-time-box-set/

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Clifford mentioned $49.99 Hopefully that's the case. I frankly see nothing to warrant anything beyond that.

At first, I found the language unclear and thought this was a 2xLP + 4xCD thing, but it's just 4 CDs.

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The thing I find interesting is that it includes Black Magic Man....ironic that it's the very first Hat Hut recording not reissued by Hat Hat....and says a lot about Hat Hut's problems.

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No, Corbett vs. Dempsey also did Glasses and Variations on a Blue Line/'Round Midnight a couple years back. They said they would do more (including Phillip Wilson's Esoteric) and I hope that they do.

But yeah, Hat's not looking good.

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No, Corbett vs. Dempsey also did Glasses and Variations on a Blue Line/'Round Midnight a couple years back. They said they would do more (including Phillip Wilson's Esoteric) and I hope that they do.

But yeah, Hat's not looking good.

Completely forgot about those. Have had access to the original vinyl and made copies. Now, I will have to order them as well.

It's like when Atvastic started reissuing FMP releases before FMP imploded, or whatever the real story about what happened.

not listed on Dusty Groove yet (best place to get the Corbett vs Dempsey releases)

You mean beside directly from C vs D? ;)

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No, Corbett vs. Dempsey also did Glasses and Variations on a Blue Line/'Round Midnight a couple years back. They said they would do more (including Phillip Wilson's Esoteric) and I hope that they do.

But yeah, Hat's not looking good.

Completely forgot about those. Have had access to the original vinyl and made copies. Now, I will have to order them as well.

It's like when Atvastic started reissuing FMP releases before FMP imploded, or whatever the real story about what happened.

not listed on Dusty Groove yet (best place to get the Corbett vs Dempsey releases)

You mean beside directly from C vs D? ;)

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The earlier C vs D reissues were noticeably needle drops anyway so you've beaten them to it Blue Train

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No, Corbett vs. Dempsey also did Glasses and Variations on a Blue Line/'Round Midnight a couple years back. They said they would do more (including Phillip Wilson's Esoteric) and I hope that they do.

But yeah, Hat's not looking good.

Completely forgot about those. Have had access to the original vinyl and made copies. Now, I will have to order them as well.

It's like when Atvastic started reissuing FMP releases before FMP imploded, or whatever the real story about what happened.

not listed on Dusty Groove yet (best place to get the Corbett vs Dempsey releases)

You mean beside directly from C vs D? ;)

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The earlier C vs D reissues were noticeably needle drops anyway so you've beaten them to it Blue Train

Well, if they're needle drops....I will pass. Makes me wonder about Black Magic Man.

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How could they get alternate takes by doing needle drop? Just edit out a few seconds here and there and call it "alternate"? ;)

Yeah, I thought about that...but something just doesn't sound right. There are tapes for the very first Hat Hut....but not the other two later ones they had to needle drop on? Uehlinger doesn't come across as someone who would throw out the original tapes....especially anything by McPhee. The whole thing started to record McPhee.

It's like Chuck throwing out AACM related tapes, or any tapes.

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I'll probably end up buying this even though "nation time" doesn't impress me as much as "the willisau concert" or the "po music" records from the late 70s/early 80s.

I'm a sucker for lavish box sets that I usually never get the time to listen to completely ;/

Me too!

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How could they get alternate takes by doing needle drop? Just edit out a few seconds here and there and call it "alternate"? ;)

Yeah, I thought about that...but something just doesn't sound right. There are tapes for the very first Hat Hut....but not the other two later ones they had to needle drop on? Uehlinger doesn't come across as someone who would throw out the original tapes....especially anything by McPhee. The whole thing started to record McPhee.

It's like Chuck throwing out AACM related tapes, or any tapes.

The early Joe McPhee records on CJR were put out by Craig Johnson and McPhee. Uehlinger and Hat didn't come into the picture until a little later.

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How could they get alternate takes by doing needle drop? Just edit out a few seconds here and there and call it "alternate"? ;)

Yeah, I thought about that...but something just doesn't sound right. There are tapes for the very first Hat Hut....but not the other two later ones they had to needle drop on? Uehlinger doesn't come across as someone who would throw out the original tapes....especially anything by McPhee. The whole thing started to record McPhee.

It's like Chuck throwing out AACM related tapes, or any tapes.

The early Joe McPhee records on CJR were put out by Craig Johnson and McPhee. Uehlinger and Hat didn't come into the picture until a little later.

Yes I know, but we're talking about Hat Hut recordings and not the CJR. Even the CJR reissues by Avatastic were not needle drops.

P.S. Keep in mind; I haven't heard C vs D's reissues of Glasses and Variations on a Blue Line/'Round Midnight to confirm they were needle drops.

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I'll probably end up buying this even though "nation time" doesn't impress me as much as "the willisau concert" or the "po music" records from the late 70s/early 80s.

I'm a sucker for lavish box sets that I usually never get the time to listen to completely ;/

Me too!

Make it three (sigh)...

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How could they get alternate takes by doing needle drop? Just edit out a few seconds here and there and call it "alternate"? ;)

Yeah, I thought about that...but something just doesn't sound right. There are tapes for the very first Hat Hut....but not the other two later ones they had to needle drop on? Uehlinger doesn't come across as someone who would throw out the original tapes....especially anything by McPhee. The whole thing started to record McPhee.

It's like Chuck throwing out AACM related tapes, or any tapes.

I wouldn't know if the tapes stood with Uehlinger or went with McPhee. Remember Uehlinger was a newbie then, he actually just made this McPhee record, then another one, and one more ... and eventually started his label, while still working a day job (which had initially led to his travels and the chance to meet McPhee in the first place). So it's not like he was this exacting record label guy from the git go, rather to me his story sounds like fortuna was in place, too.

But why don't anyone send a mail to C vs D and inqire?

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Response from C vs D

"Nation Time and Black Magic Man are mastered from tape. We returned to the original source tapes to remaster Black Magic Man; Nation Time is the same mix and master as the Unheard Music Series reissue"

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