Greed and the record industry

[Daniel A]

Thanks for posting. Interesting.

Do you have Spotify in Italy, Porcy?

I don't do download, stick to lps, and unavoidable cds, so I didn't know but from my computer spotify home page is in italian, so I presume it exists over here.

Spotify isn't downloading, it's streaming. It's the future!

[Head Man]

Thanks for posting. Interesting.

Do you have Spotify in Italy, Porcy?

I don't do download, stick to lps, and unavoidable cds, so I didn't know but from my computer spotify home page is in italian, so I presume it exists over here.

Spotify isn't downloading, it's streaming. It's the future!

Oh dear, I do hope not......

[Daniel A]

Actually, I believe that for a majority of people under the age of 40 "the cloud" already seems like a far much safer place to store personal stuff like photos and documents, compared to their local hard drive. Since those people also have stopped buying CD:s, they will basically have to choose between the convenience and perceived safety of a streaming service or the obstacle of downloading.

[erwbol]

From today's Guardian:

David Byrne: 'The internet will suck all creative content out of the world'

The boom in digital streaming may generate profits for record labels and free content for consumers, but it spells disaster for today's artists across the creative industries

Edited October 11, 2013 by erwbol

[AllenLowe]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

[BillF]

Actually, I believe that for a majority of people under the age of 40 "the cloud" already seems like a far much safer place to store personal stuff like photos and documents, compared to their local hard drive. Since those people also have stopped buying CD:s, they will basically have to choose between the convenience and perceived safety of a streaming service or the obstacle of downloading.

Very much the experience of my 26-year-old daughter. Loves the Cloud - not surprised as she uses phone, tablet and laptop, plus desktop at work. As the one who bails out her overdrafts, I'm pleased she's moved from constantly buying downloads from iTunes to using Spotify at £9.99 a month.

[erwbol]

Actually, I believe that for a majority of people under the age of 40 "the cloud" already seems like a far much safer place to store personal stuff like photos and documents, compared to their local hard drive. Since those people also have stopped buying CD:s, they will basically have to choose between the convenience and perceived safety of a streaming service or the obstacle of downloading.

Very much the experience of my 26-year-old daughter. Loves the Cloud - not surprised as she uses phone, tablet and laptop, plus desktop at work. As the one who bails out her overdrafts, I'm pleased she's moved from constantly buying downloads from iTunes to using Spotify at £9.99 a month.

This week I got an offer for a usually Euro 50 now Euro 42 a month digital TV, internet and telephone subscription in which spotify was included and promoted as an advantage of this over other packages. Even worse?

[JSngry]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

Dude - it's data. On somebody else's servers. Even in a perfectly impenetrable world, you're still at the mercy of somebody else's plug.

Keeping a local copy of everything is the only way to totally ensure that you'll always have it.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

Dude - it's data. On somebody else's servers. Even in a perfectly impenetrable world, you're still at the mercy of somebody else's plug.

Keeping a local copy of everything is the only way to totally ensure that you'll always have it.

No, keeping a second or third local copy is the only way to totally ensure that you'll quite probably always have it, if you haven't got a son-in-law who irrecoverably wrecks both backup discs, as well as your hard drive, in one fell swoop.

MG

[JSngry]

HA!

Sad/funny...and true!

[king ubu]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

The cloud actually violates itself ... it's pretty perverted really, should be forbidden on moral grounds.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

The cloud actually violates itself ... it's pretty perverted really, should be forbidden on moral grounds.

What does that mean?

MG

[Daniel A]

Everybody will have to decide for themselves, of course, but I believe my data is safer in the cloud. Pick a multinational company that's making a huge profit (Google, Amazon etc) and therefore is unlikely to go out of business and I think your data is safer than on any consumer end storage unit. Just compare the number of people that has lost anything in a hard disk crash to how many who have had their email accounts wiped out because of a technical failure of the provider. I believe the first group is considerably larger.

Backups of the rare stuff in the cloud and the rest through a streaming service - I'd say that's less risk of losing the music than on scratchable LP:s or breakable CD:s.

[Neal Pomea]

I don't feel safe at all with my music on Itunes. When I moved from one computer to another (neither of them Apple), it messed up a lot of files and appended some strange suffix to them. It was quite a pain renaming these files, and there were too many to bother renaming them all, so I know I lost a lot of music that I digitized myself from my lps and tapes. It might be fine if the files were originally digital, but it did not work well at all with files that began as analog and then were converted to digital. People under 40 probably have little experience with that, but people over 40 might or probably do.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Neal Pomea

[Blue Train]

Forgetting the whole NSA thing....It's the internet. If "anyone" really is interested enough and has the time....there are always going to be flaws....it's just human nature.

Anyway....external hard drive. Even @ my age....life is too short wasting time uploading 6 TB....and never hook it up to anything while also connected to the internet. If you want to go really hard core....encryption.

Even if your drive crashes...there are still ways to save whatever is on it. You get hacked....

P.S. Backup things.

P.P.S. Keep in mind this is the Senior Writer of Wired...and knows a thing, or 10,000 about computers, the internet, etc.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48611864

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/

Edited October 11, 2013 by Blue Train

[Blue Train]

Just a week ago.


http://blog.gsmarena.com/some-2-9-million-accounts-compromised-in-adobe-creative-cloud-hack/

[Daniel A]

Well, there's always streaming of course.

[king ubu]

do we know that the Cloud is inviolable and un-crashable? I've got a lot of stuff up there, too.

The cloud actually violates itself ... it's pretty perverted really, should be forbidden on moral grounds.

What does that mean?

MG

Probably nothing much ... Just that I think any thought of any cloud being safe is moronic, ultimately. (But maybe, so am I.)

[Daniel A]

Still, I know of people who have lost their homes and entire belongings through fire, at least one friend has lost his entire record collection through theft. Eventually it will become evident just how reliable the cloud is, but I'd still say you're safer with two different cloud storage services than with two hard drives.

That said, I'm hanging on to all my CD:s and LP:s, but that's because I love the feel of an album rather than anxiety over potential data loss.

[AllenLowe]

I've looked at clouds that way.

[king ubu]

I've locked my clouds away

Seriously: reliabilty and safety (or: privacy) are two *very* different things!

[erwbol]

From today's Guardian:

David Byrne: 'The internet will suck all creative content out of the world'

The boom in digital streaming may generate profits for record labels and free content for consumers, but it spells disaster for today's artists across the creative industries

Another interesting (and lengthy ) article on the music industry implications of streaming services:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/11/david-byrne-internet-content-world

[AllenLowe]

I don't know; I heard tonight that vinyl has returned (I know what you are about to say; have I been away on a long trip? Well, actually, I have been ministering to lepers on an island off the Coast of Arizona).

Edited October 14, 2013 by AllenLowe