Complete Clifford Brown Emarcy recordings

[jazzbo]

Just consider the comma a period. And don't use all the hot water.

[colinmce]

The comma is used in place of the period in Europe, so that's 34.02 or $45.13

[JSngry]

Well, then, that's a relief. But I need a shower anyway!

Generalmente spedito entro 1-2 mesi = Generally ships in 1-2 months? And was released on April 23, 2013? So basically still SOL, right?

[JSngry]

Can't have the OJC stuff if it's 10 CDs. The original was 10 CDs. DOH!

Maybe in Europe now, Verve = Emarcy = OJC? Or Ojaycee?

[felser]

One of mine also.

[GA Russell]

When I click on the link of the OP tonight, I see that customers also bought Lee Konitz - The Milestone Albums for 22,76 euros.

I'm not familiar with that one (except the Duets album). Does anyone have an opinion of it?

http://www.amazon.it/The-Milestone-Albums-Lee-Konitz/dp/B007R3TH0W/ref=pd_sim_m_10

Thanks Jim, Jeff, Colin and felser!

Edited September 11, 2013 by GA Russell

[David Ayers]

Here's the track listing:

http://www.universalmusic.it/jazz/artista/discografia/?ida=300681

1 Delilah

2 Darn that dream

3 Parisian thoroughfare

4 Jordu

5 Sweet Clifford

6 Sweet Clifford (Clifford's fantasy)

7 I don't stand a ghost of a chance with you

8 I don't stand a ghost of a chance with you

9 Stompin' at the Savoy

10 I get a kick out of you

11 I get a kick out of you

12 I'll string along with you

13 Joy spring

14 Joy spring

15 Mildama (I alt. take)

16 Mildama (II alt. take)

17 Mildama (III alt. take)

18 Mildama (IV alt. take inedito)

19 Mildama (V alt. take inedito)

20 Mildama (VI alt. take inedito)

21 Mildama

22 These foolish things (remind me of you)

23 Daahoud

24 Daahoud

25 Coronado (I alt. take)

26 Coronado (II alt. take)

27 Coronado

28 You go to my head

29 Caravan

30 Caravan (alt. take first issued as The boss man)

31 Autumn in New York

32 *Introduction by Bob Shad

33 What is this thing called love?

34 I've got you under my skin

35 No more

36 Move

37 Darn that dream

38 You go to my head

39 My funny Valentine

40 Don't worry 'bout me

41 Bess, you is my woman now

42 It might as well be spring

43 Lover come back to me

44 Alone together

45 Summertime

46 Come rain or come shine

47 Crazy he calls me

48 There is no greater love

49 I'll remember April

50 September song

51 Lullaby of Birdland

52 I'm glad there is you

53 You're not the kind

54 Jim

55 He's my guy

56 April in Paris

57 It's crazy

58 Embraceable you

59 Don't explain

60 Born to be blue

61 You'd be so nice to come home to

62 's wonderful

63 Yesterdays

64 Falling in love with love

65 What's new ?

66 A portrait of Jenny

67 What's new ?

68 Yesterdays

69 Where or when

70 Can't help lovin' dat man

71 Smoke gets in your eyes

72 Laura

73 Memories of you

74 Embraceable you

75 Blue moon

76 Willow weep for me

77 Stardust

78 Gerkin for Perkin

79 Take the "A" train

80 Lands end

81 Lands end

82 Swingin'

83 George's dilemma

84 If I love again

85 The blues walk

86 The blues walk

87 What am I here for?

88 Cherokee

89 Jaqui

90 Sandu

91 Gertrude's bounce

92 Step lightly (Junior's arrival)

93 Powell's prances

94 I'll remember April

95 I'll remember April (I alt. take inedito)

96 I'll remember April (II take)

97 Time

98 The scene is clean

99 Flossie Lou (I alt. take inedito)

100 Flossie Lou (II alt. take inedito)

101 Flossie Lou (III alt. take inedito)

102 Flossie Lou

103 What is this thing called love? (alt. take inedito)

104 What is this thing called love?

105 Love is a many splendoured thing (I alt.take ined)

106 Love is a many splendoured thing (II alt.take ined)

107 Love is a many splendoured thing

[king ubu]

Sheesh, guys, you have me falling into a coma ...

The box is a straight reissue of the Koyama-produced "Brownie" box that has all the EmArcy material. There's even a line on the huge backcover that says so.

As for Universal, yes ... ex-Fantasy material is indeed distributed by Universal in Europe, for quite a while already (probably after Concord took over ... before that, we had those crazy sales when the previous licensee, ZYX sold off its remaining stock - the forum dinosaurs fondly remember that, I'm sure).

These sets are legit ... and yes, the stuff's PD, so that probably explains why they're cheap - no payments going anywhere, as with all the pirates, but you get the music from the source (or well, closer to the source an in usually better fidelity than from the pirates). But then it is my understanding that the same applies to Japanese reissues which are so fondly treasured here, so no one dare and complain, m'kay?

There are many italian boxes around and some of them have been discussed here ... Coltrane, Rollins, Miles Prestige, Monk, Baker Riverside, Ellington Carnegie Hall, Evans Riverside/Milestone ... they have the albums and nothing else. So the Rollins is smaller, only including leader dates (not sure about co-led/jam ones ... there's a much nicer German reissue of the big box with all of it and with a booklet, too, this one, while this is the Italian one - it says 12 discs there - but these will be 40min discs, one album per CD).

I guess the cheapo Universal repackings (JATP, Pres - both very OOP) are from Universal Italy as well. Not sure there have been more of those, but the big Billie Holiday box has just been re-done, too (I mentioned it elsewhere):

Mind you, I don't have any of these ... bought the Rollins once, since I'd mis-placed the booklet of the small-scale ZYX Complete Prestige Recordings set ... only to find the Rollins had no liners whatsoever, all very basic, a nice colourful booklet with a double-page on each album, cover on one side, info on the other ... all you really need to know, but none more ... after the missing booklet turned up in the empty house of my parents again, just before they started tearing down ... I presented the other box to a friend.

@Lon: do go for the Konitz Milestone if you don't have it! The four albums pesent Lee in a variety of settings and they're all very good! The two later duos w/Alan Broadbent haven't grabbed me really yet (I'm not even sure I've heard the second one at all). I got all of them in single editions.

[Big Beat Steve]

These sets are legit ... and yes, the stuff's PD, so that probably explains why they're cheap - no payments going anywhere, as with all the pirates, but you get the music from the source (or well, closer to the source and in usually better fidelity than from the pirates). But then it is my understanding that the same applies to Japanese reissues which are so fondly treasured here, so no one dare and complain, m'kay?

A point that cannot be made often enough, particularly the underlined section.

I guess the cheapo Universal repackings (JATP, Pres - both very OOP) are from Universal Italy as well. Not sure there have been more of those, but the big Billie Holiday box has just been re-done, too (I mentioned it elsewhere):

Yes, the JATP 10-CD set is Italian too.

When I first read about that Brownie box, my first thought was "Another case like that JATP set?".

I have a lot of that Brownie EmArcy stuff on vinyl but might well spring for that box, given its completemness and affordability ...

[David Ayers]

Sheesh, guys, you have me falling into a coma ...

Leave me out of it! I was trying to close the debate with facts!

I have a lot of that Brownie EmArcy stuff on vinyl but might well spring for that box, given its completeness and affordability ...

Complete?!? Without the 11th one-track bonus disc featuring the fifth take of Flossie Lou !?! my dear boy...

This one is a bargain price, like the Dolphy, but unlike the Coltrane Prestige which seems rather pricey.

[Big Beat Steve]

Complete?!? Without the 11th one-track bonus disc featuring the fifth take of Flossie Lou !?! my dear boy...

:D

[J.A.W.]

Ok, this whole thing gets more incomprehensible...the comma on Amazon.IT gives the price as 34,02 Euro. With the comma in that place the price in US Dollar is $4,517.18, and really, seriously, WTF?, surely that comma is drunk or something, yes? No? Please?

How the decimal mark is used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Hindu.E2.80.93Arabic_numeral_system

Edited September 11, 2013 by J.A.W.

[king ubu]

Why use commas with numbers anyway ... we use apostrophes here, and all that's at the bottom means it goes to the next smaller unit 53'342.98 is fifty three thousand three hundred forty two point ninety eight. Sometimes all those anglo-saxons just don't make sense

[mikeweil]

I think he means that this incorporates both Mercury/Emarcy sides and OJC sides together under one roof.

Exactly!

[king ubu]

Universal Europe does, but not the Brownie box

[jazzbo]

I think he means that this incorporates both Mercury/Emarcy sides and OJC sides together under one roof.

Exactly!

Only it doesn't seem to.

[J.A.W.]

Universal Europe does, but not the Brownie box

Correct, as the track listing in post #32 shows.

[JSngry]

Next question - who is Deastore? And can they be trusted?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=&isCBA=&marketplaceID=A1F83G8C2ARO7P&orderID=&seller=A2OW19MBCY0LY2

[David Ayers]

Next question - who is Deastore? And can they be trusted?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=&isCBA=&marketplaceID=A1F83G8C2ARO7P&orderID=&seller=A2OW19MBCY0LY2

Don't know. Only 1600 customer ratings so not a huge outfit.

[JSngry]

ha.

What worries me is the positive % rating - 90% or lower. I like to avoid anybody who's less than 98%. That there are so many apparent users only increases the discomfort that I have about me becoming one in the 10% (or more) who don't leave happy, and with an overseas transaction, that's especially not what I'm looking for. Because I can't just get in the car, tank up, and go knock on/down a door.

So -anybody here have experience with them?

[bogdan101]

ha.

What worries me is the positive % rating - 90% or lower. I like to avoid anybody who's less than 98%. That there are so many apparent users only increases the discomfort that I have about me becoming one in the 10% (or more) who don't leave happy, and with an overseas transaction, that's especially not what I'm looking for. Because I can't just get in the car, tank up, and go knock on/down a door.

So -anybody here have experience with them?

No, but if you buy it through the Amazon marketplace it doesn't really matter, you're protected if something goes wrong. And my impression on the bad ratings is that it's usually about improperly graded used items.

[Big Beat Steve]

At any rate it will be interesting to hear about any concrete expericence by forumists bcause this seller also is the only one who has this item listed on German Amazon.

[bogdan101]

At any rate it will be interesting to hear about any concrete expericence by forumists bcause this seller also is the only one who has this item listed on German Amazon.

... as well as the only seller on French and UK Amazon; I bought mine directly from amazon.fr, but they don't seem to offer it anymore.

[king ubu]

Why not just order from amazon.it? I'm aware you don't get free shipping liki I do, but are their rates ridiculous and much more so than those of marketplace vendors?

[JSngry]

Generalmente spedito entro 1-2 mesi = Generally ships in 1-2 months? And was released on April 23, 2013? So basically still SOL, right?

That's too long to wait on a hope.

ha.

What worries me is the positive % rating - 90% or lower. I like to avoid anybody who's less than 98%. That there are so many apparent users only increases the discomfort that I have about me becoming one in the 10% (or more) who don't leave happy, and with an overseas transaction, that's especially not what I'm looking for. Because I can't just get in the car, tank up, and go knock on/down a door.

So -anybody here have experience with them?

No, but if you buy it through the Amazon marketplace it doesn't really matter, you're protected if something goes wrong. And my impression on the bad ratings is that it's usually about improperly graded used items.

Ah, my preferred first line of defense is to protect myself by not getting into a position where I need to be protected by the kindness of strangers... but the news that grading, not fulfillment, might be the main cause of negative ratings is both encouraging and useful. Thanks for that.