Bethlehem label being reissued in US

[WD45]

I'm looking forward to getting a few of these on vinyl. I'd love to see their whole East Coast Jazz series make it to LP. And the Bass by Pettiford/Burke set. And the rest of the Torme sides. And a few more...

[jazztrain]

Yes, you're right, the Aaron Sachs on Rama (see below) was reissued by Fresh Sound.

This Aaron Sachs 10 inch on Bethlehem (see below) has not, to my knowledge, been reissued on CD.

It had been reissued on LP as half of this 12 inch:

The other half of "We Brought Our Axes" was originally on a 10 inch Hank D'Amico record (see below) and has recently been reissued in Japan.

Looks like mostly the same old stuff.

There are some interesting Bethlehem titles that never seem to get reissued, such as the Dick Wetmore, the Milt Hinton, the Sam Most and Aaron Sachs albums, and the two albums by the Six to name a few, although it's possible that Fresh Sound may have covered some of these.

The Hank D'Amico on Bethlehem seems to be out at last in Japan.

Some of the listed titles look like they may be downloads only.

Aaron gave me a burned copy of the Bethlehem LP he made with Jimmy Raney and Hall Overton, so Fresh Sound probably put that one out.

That sounds like the LP on the RAMA label ("Clarinet & Co."), not the Bethlehem LP which had Urbie Green, Danny Bank, Barry Galbraith, Clyde Lombardi and Osie Johnson.

And yes - the RAMA LP was reissued by Fresh sound both on vinyl and CD.

Otherwise, I agree with jazztrsin. Lots of obvious items there that have already been reissued a couple of times whereas others seem to be overlooked constantly.

[jazzbo]

Listened to the Mingus today and have to say it sounds really good.

[felser]

Listened to the Mingus today and have to say it sounds really good.

That gets my attention. I've never heard the Bethlehem stuff have good sound.

[jazzbo]

Well, it sounds best than I've heard this before. Which doesn't mean it's an audiophile release.

[jazzbo]

Verse is also releasing Bethlehem titles in Japan, and a lot more of them. Those that I have heard sound very nice to me, and they're being sold about the same price here as the US titles.

[Head Man]

Verse is also releasing Bethlehem titles in Japan, and a lot more of them. Those that I have heard sound very nice to me, and they're being sold about the same price here as the US titles.

Is there a list somewhere of what's available in Japan?

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

'BCP 6069: Eddie Davis – “The Best of Eddie Lockjaw Davis” (CD & 12”)'

Does anyone know what this is? The Bethlehem discography at the JDP only lists 2 tracks from 1958 (though Lord has them as 1957) on this LP.

Is the rest some of his King material? If so, who knows what?

MG

[jazzbo]

I haven't found a full list of those reissued in Japan, but Dusty Groove lists nearly six dozen.

http://www.dustygroove.com/search.php?x=0&y=0&s=Bethlehem%2FSolid+%28Japan%29

Allen, all I have seen of the Lockjaw disc is that it has both Bagby ad Scott on organ (not together). I should receive that in a few days, I'll post some info here.

Edited September 17, 2013 by jazzbo

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Oh, I see. There were two LPs numbered BCP6035:

Various - 15 star saxophones

Jaws & Shirley - Eddie's function

The Jaws & Shirley LP 6035 was a reissue of BCP6069. (Eh?)

Well, it has 6 tracks from a Feb '56 2 day trio session with Doc Bagby & Charlie Rice and 7 from sessions between July '56 and June '57 (or '58) with Shirley Scott instead of Doc.

I really want all of the King material, but I suppose this'll have to do, if there's no other CDs around to cover the lot.

MG

[bakeostrin]

Does anyone have the list of recent Japanese re-issues that contained the Hank D'Amico? While I am glad to see anyone reissue jazz, I prefer to see things that were previously unissued on CD.

[David Ayers]

I haven't found a full list of those reissued in Japan, but Dusty Groove lists nearly six dozen.

http://www.dustygroove.com/search.php?x=0&y=0&s=Bethlehem%2FSolid+%28Japan%29

Allen, all I have seen of the Lockjaw disc is that it has both Bagby ad Scott on organ (not together). I should receive that in a few days, I'll post some info here.

Just to follow up on this, these CDs have the catalogue number beginning CDSOL. You can see what's in print at this link: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/music/advanced_1/category_1/catnum_cdsol/formattype_1/genre_VARIOUS_800/sort_datedesc/

I should say there's no 'clean' way to search for these titles on that site as there are a lot of CDSOL releases.

This search cuts it another way http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/advanced_1/category_1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C7%2C9%2C10%2C23%2C24/formattype_1/labelcode_SBEHE/sort_datedesc/

Edited September 24, 2013 by David Ayers

[GA Russell]

Amazon UK is currently offering a 3-CD set called Love Me or Leave Me: The Bethlehem Records Story.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Me-Leave-Bethlehem-1958-1962/dp/B00E7QTRWK/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=15OXMQC9Z0YS9&coliid=I2DTBZSXR6XZUS

Its price is only 6.99 GBP. Do you think that it is a public domain "bootleg" or a legit promotional compilation?

[J.A.W.]

It's a public-domain release.

[Head Man]

Nice looking set...thanks for the heads-up.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Head Man

[GA Russell]

Hans, I was thinking that it is PD because it stops at 1962. I don't know when Bethlehem stopped recording, although Wikipedia says that it was sold to King Records in '62.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_Records

[bakeostrin]

Thanks to those who provided the information from Dusty Groove and HMV. Nice reissue set with a few that I don't believe were ever reissued before on CD; plus a few that were only reissued once on Toshiba-Emi.

[mjzee]

As I recall, when Bethlehem reissues came out in the late '70's, they were owned by Salsoul.

Sorta, but not exactly..."International Jazz Emporium - Bethlehem Records - Distibuted by Caytronics - A Cayre Industries Company"...which was the Cayre Brothers who did found Salsoul, but who had already been involved in the record business prior to so doing.

http://www.discogs.com/label/Caytronics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsoul_Records

http://hem.bredband.net/funkyflyy/salsoul/story.html

http://businessprofiles.com/details/cayre-industries-inc/NY-382527

That "International Jazz Emporium" is what stands out to me...what kind of a shell was that?

I just got the Japanese release of This Time The Drum's On Me. The disc states "All tracks licensed courtesy of VMG Salsoul LLC, a Division of Verse Music Group."

[romualdo]

Another 30 Bethlehem releases from Japan due in mid December

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/music/adv_1/barcodecatnum_CDSOL-6/category_1/x_60/y_18/

They're continuing to mine the catalogue with some wonderful surprises (one high on my wish list DICK WETMORE - finally!!)

Herbie Mann, Stu Williamson, Don Elliott, Australian All-Stars, Aaron Sachs, Anthony Ortega, Frances Faye, Marty Paich, Frank Rosolino, Porgy & Bess 2CD (Torme & Faye), Jazz At The Metropole Cafe

The big one for me is the first CD issue of the Dick Wetmore 10" (containing Bob Zieff compositions)

[jazzbo]

Oh no! I've bought way too many of these and now there's more?

[Tom 1960]

I might be interested in the Stu Williamson discs.

[jazzbo]

I might be interested in the Stu Williamson discs.

They're very good, I have them on Toshiba EMI discs.

[tomatamot]

Another 30 Bethlehem releases from Japan due in mid December

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/music/adv_1/barcodecatnum_CDSOL-6/category_1/x_60/y_18/

They're continuing to mine the catalogue with some wonderful surprises (one high on my wish list DICK WETMORE - finally!!)

Herbie Mann, Stu Williamson, Don Elliott, Australian All-Stars, Aaron Sachs, Anthony Ortega, Frances Faye, Marty Paich, Frank Rosolino, Porgy & Bess 2CD (Torme & Faye), Jazz At The Metropole Cafe

The big one for me is the first CD issue of the Dick Wetmore 10" (containing Bob Zieff compositions)

Please d`nt ignore Max Bennett, Howard Mcgee, Oscar Pettiford/Vini Burke, Jimmy Knepper, Charlie Persip, Stan Levey, Hal Mckusic, Red Mitchell, Bob Hardaway, Eddy Shu, Hank D`amico!!!!!!! & Marty Paich. :tup

[jazzbo]

Agreed, but those are already out (I have all of them but the Persip and Paich so far) and he was listing forthcoming ones.

[tomatamot]

Agreed, but those are already out (I have all of them but the Persip and Paich so far) and he was listing forthcoming ones.

Sorry. I`ve just checked his link, saw a lot of very nice albums, but all on cd ( I own the most on vinyl ).