wesbed Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 I live in Tucson and graduated from the University of Arizona. My team is the Arizona Wildcats. I'm darned tired of Duke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 As a Sun Devil fan my sympathy for you is somewhat limited but not totally as I too am tired of the Dukies but a juggernaut is a juggernaut is a juggernaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesbed Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 It seems like, no matter how Duke performs in the regular season, Coach K. always has the team ready to go for the tournament. I can't say the same for the Wildcat's Coach (Mr. Lute Olson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Coach K has guys on his bench who could have deep tournament runs if they played for other teams and he probably turns away guys who could be stars on other teams. Lute Olson always goes out and gets good players but nobody out recruits Coach K. At UCLA they're still trying to replace John Wooden and Duke will have that same problem if and when Coach K hangs it up. When Maryland beat Duke in the ACC tournament I thought that was nice but BFD Duke will be around longer in the tournament than the Terps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 that would be some funny shit, if kansas won it after williams leaves Funny nothin'....bring it on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 The avatar says it all ... Go 'Hawks!!! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjazz Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 There's Nothing Sweet About These Stats Six of the last 16 basketball teams in tournament had graduation rates below 50%. COMMENTARY By Fred Droz The Sweet 16 games of the National Collegiate Athletic Assn.'s March Madness tournament were played this week. It is a wonderful time to watch the skills and efforts of college athletes. It really is March Madness because you never know what will happen. Top teams get beaten. Mostly, it is a time to watch our nation's best young basketball amateurs play to their heart's best. It is also the best time of the year for me in watching sports. Like millions of other Americans, I immerse myself into this phenomenon. It is college athletics at its best. But, there is a dirty little secret to all this. Actually, it isn't much of a secret. The graduation rates of NCAA athletes are atrocious. Check out the graduation rates of the basketball players from the schools going into the Sweet 16. Six of the teams in the men's tournament had rates below 50%. The high is Duke at 67%. The lowest is Georgia Tech at 27%. (Stanford graduates 100%, but it was eliminated and didn't make the regional finals.) Here is an even better illustration of the problem. In 2002, Hawaii, McNeese State and Oklahoma graduated zero athletes. Yes, zero, nada, 0%. Yet, these three schools qualified for the first round of 64 finalists. So what? It's just a bunch of kids who play sports. Well, I think there is a lot of "what" in this issue. A lot of folks believe that the top college athletes move on to become professional athletes. Unfortunately, the statistics do not bear this out. Basically, fewer than 1% of NCAA athletes become professional athletes each year. Let's cut to the heart of the issue. Of the 64 schools that made the NCAA basketball tournament, only 25 have graduation rates above 50%. That means that 60% of these schools are graduating between 0% and 49% of their athletes. "So what" raises its ugly head again. Though these schools take in millions of dollars from ticket sales and commissions, the athletes — the performers, the income generators — are left with nothing. They don't graduate with a degree. They don't get a contract with a professional athletic team. Their jerseys are not retired. The NCAA is expected next month to pass regulations that would reward schools with high graduation rates and penalize those with low rates. This is a start. But the issue isn't just about basketball. Check out the graduation rates of schools in the other income-generating sports: http://chronicle.com/stats/ncaa/. > Do we, as viewers and supporters, have any responsibility for any of this? Maybe. Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulu se mama Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 i have a real problem with how the ncaa calculates graduation rates. they only look at incoming freshan and only look at the end of 6 years. i know the university of cincinnati has taken alot of shit for a 0 graduation rate a couple of years ago, but that particular year they only had 1 freshman and he transferred to a different school, so their graduation rate was 0. junior college transfers do not count even if they graduate on time. if a kid transfers to another school, they count against the school he transferred from and they do not count for the school that he transfers to. if a kid leaves early to make millions in the nba - he counts against a school's graduation rates. if a kid comes back to school after the 6 years is up - he does not count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Awesome close game between OSU and Saint Joe's on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjazz Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Check out the graduation rates of schools in the other income-generating sports: http://chronicle.com/stats/ncaa/. > There are some interesting stats here. I just glanced at the womens basketball and in alot of schools, the women athletes have a higher graduation rate than the average student at their school. This average graduation rate for the schools should have been posted in the article for comparison too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maren Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Awesome close game between OSU and Saint Joe's on right now. Did you catch the part about the OSU mascot named Aric Effron???? Or maybe that's Eric Ephron... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Dang! I missed it maren. I would have been tripping out. I almost always have the game (any game) on mute until the last two minutes. There's important jazz listening to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Lost in OT. Damn..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Yeah, great season though. GT was tough and we seemed to make some mistakes down the stretch. Oh well, go Okie State and we should be awesome next year!!! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 NCAA - Women Just watched a dynamic last 15 seconds between Stanford and Vanderbilt. Stanford was behind by 1 and a 3 pointer was made by Stanford wining the game with about 2.1 seconds to go. Very exciting since I was pulling for Stanford. I am hoping for Duke, UConn, Tennessee, & Stanford in the final four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 The Duke women's team just went down to defeat and Tennesee was in early trouble against Stanford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Tennesee escaped Stanford to complete the womens final four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Yes, Duke and Stanford are out. Alana Beard and Nicole Powell were heartbroken. Alas, there is the WNBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahara Blue Orchestra Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Hey Jack, sorry about Duke -- but as a Golden Gopher Alum Gotta like them, I mean their star player is playing with a broken hand! And their center's nickname is Baby ShaQ!! Anyway, its the first time the womens team has ever made it to the Final 4, so folks in Minnesota are pretty fired up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted April 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 i've got oklahoma st in the first game and it ain't looking good i'll roll with the dukies, they get more freakin' calls than the spurs i'd really like to see uconn win, but my $5 is on duke if tennesse ladies are still in the touney that's who i'm rolling with ss1 GO Lakers, 11-0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Georgia Tech will play in the title game against either UConn or Duke. Arizona transfer Will Bynum made the winning basket for Tech with 1.5 ticks on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesbed Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 I haven't been watching the game. But, a friend just sent me a message saying Duke is Dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Duke comes from ahead to lose. It will be U Conn vs Georgia Tech for the national championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted April 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 (edited) i'm going with g-tech, by 5 points. Edited April 5, 2004 by Soulstation1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Really??? How will Tech stop Okafor? Schensher has played well and within himself vs KU and OSU, but I see that little run coming to an end. Still, GT did kick their butt earlier this year. I think it will be a good game though. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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