Mark Stryker Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/matthew-shipp-keith-jarrett-gary-peacock-jack-dejohnette Quote
robertoart Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 I love Matthew Shipp. He is my favourite asshole Someone give him a weekly platform somewhere. Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted? Quote
Face of the Bass Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 To me Keith Jarrett might be the most overrated musician in jazz history. I've never heard anything from him on disc that would justify all the exposure he gets. Quote
David Ayers Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted? Yes where? I'd be interested to read that... Quote
robertoart Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted? Yes where? I'd be interested to read that... I read it on a link from here somewhere. It was more of a pithy aside in something more general. But it was along the lines that Braxton played up to and cultivated the 'professor' persona because it was the best strategy available to him. I'd like to read it again to get the full picture, but it was definitely an important insight he made. Even if with the fullness of time many might see it from the same perspective as well. Quote
Blue Train Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted? Yes where? I'd be interested to read that... As the person that posted it twice now....ask and you will receive....because the third time is the charm. haha The full interview once again. The part about Braxton is in part 2. Cecil Taylor also is involved. http://www.furious.com/perfect/matthewshipp.html Quote
paul secor Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 I have no problem with what he says about Jarrett. As he says, it's just his opinion and it's probably needed to counteract all of the hero worshipping that goes on around Jarrett. Quote
David Ayers Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Where was that really interesting thing he said about Anthony Braxton posted? Yes where? I'd be interested to read that... As the person that posted it twice now....ask and you will receive....because the third time is the charm. haha The full interview once again. The part about Braxton is in part 2. Cecil Taylor also is involved. http://www.furious.com/perfect/matthewshipp.html Thank you! Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 too bad Shipp isn't as great as he thinks he is Quote
Scott Dolan Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Pretty funny to read that from one of the most bombastic and grandiose players out there. Much of what he wrote describes himself to the letter. Quote
Blue Train Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) You're welcome, David. too bad Shipp isn't as great as he thinks he is While I can see what he's saying about Jarrett....especially the trio (whom to me are just in cruise control for the benjamins.)....I have to agree with you about Shipp. Edited July 23, 2013 by Blue Train Quote
paul secor Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Pretty funny to read that from one of the most bombastic and grandiose players out there. Much of what he wrote describes himself to the letter. And it also describes Jarrett. I'd add pretentious to the mix. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 This week's 'I'm too cool to like Jarrett' thread. Quote
robertoart Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 too bad Shipp isn't as great as he thinks he is Not part of your crowd is he? Quote
Scott Dolan Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 Pretty funny to read that from one of the most bombastic and grandiose players out there. Much of what he wrote describes himself to the letter. And it also describes Jarrett. I'd add pretentious to the mix. Yep. Although when I talked to Shipp at Viz several years ago he was very gracious. Something I seriously doubt Jarrett would be. Not to mention he wouldn't have been milling around with us serfs to begin with. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 too bad Shipp isn't as great as he thinks he is Not part of your crowd is he? No - I like many of the musicians that he plays with (maybe especially Michael Bisio who is the bassist in his trio with Whit Dickey), but alas, not all downtowners are created alike - thank jah I have ears and I gotta listen..... hard to forget his rumbling playing during the first half hour of what could ahve been a great quartet set with Paul Dunmall at last year's Vision Fest. When he finally gave the great tenorman a chance to really play when Shipp *finally* stopped or even reduced his playing to something listenable, the set finished in fine form. He sounded like a bad version of Chris MacGregor - and the great South African *never* played to excess like Shipp is prine to do. Quote
Blue Train Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Not to mention he wouldn't have been milling around with us serfs to begin with. Edited July 23, 2013 by Blue Train Quote
robertoart Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 He's a Bowie fan To paraphrase the interview, PSF So you like Bowie. Do you tell many people that? MS No I prefer to keep that to myself. Quote
uli Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 He's a Bowie fan To paraphrase the interview, PSF So you like Bowie. Do you tell many people that? MS No I prefer to keep that to myself. Lester, I assume. Quote
robertoart Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) He's a Bowie fan To paraphrase the interview, PSF So you like Bowie. Do you tell many people that? MS No I prefer to keep that to myself. Lester, I assume. Ha Ha. Well he's a bloody fantastic thinker about the music, both socio-culturally and formally. I wish there were ten of him posting here. Edited July 23, 2013 by freelancer Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 too bad Shipp isn't as great as he thinks he is Not part of your crowd is he? Nice guy, excellent musician. I am more a fan now than I used to be, FWIW. I felt he needed to grow into his music, and he has. Quote
etherbored Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 this may not be the place to ask, but someone mentioned in the 'somwhere' thread that the trio gets 80K per gig. is this public knowledge or ? Quote
AllenLowe Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 as for Shipp - Steve and Dolan - I of course am not impartial; but he did some brilliant work in the several sessions I have done with him - Jaki's Boat, solo from Jews in Hell; multiple things on Blues and the Empirical; and several cuts on our upcoming CD Field Recordings: Jim Crow Variations and Visions of Ohel Tom. Quote
colinmce Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 this may not be the place to ask, but someone mentioned in the 'somwhere' thread that the trio gets 80K per gig. is this public knowledge or ? The article posted in another thread mentioned a crowd of 4,000 at 120 euros a pop, that's about a $634,000 take. So 80k almost sounds low. Quote
CraigP Posted July 23, 2013 Report Posted July 23, 2013 This may be an oversimplification, but to me Jarrett took what Bley was doing and injected more melody into the equation, including the gospel influence. And that translated into greater popularity for him vs. Bley. It's interesting to remember that Open, To Love and Facing You were released on ECM within a year of each other. Jarrett hit his peak, IMO, with his 70's American Quartet and European Quartet. Quote
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