Dootone and Crown Records reissues

[J.A.W.]

Has P-Vine been discussed on the Board before?

I got the P-Vine Elmore James box that was remastered and re-released a few years ago and I was shocked by the sound: it was very harsh and pumped up compared to the same material I have on American CDs. Awful. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

Edited November 7, 2013 by J.A.W.

[J.A.W.]

I think we should stop criticising moderators, implicitly or otherwise. We all know by now that they can never get it right...

Edited November 7, 2013 by J.A.W.

[Big Beat Steve]

Anyway, got to get the Dexter disc, for sure ... can anyone say something more on the Collette? I did see post #68, but with so many derailed posts, I guess asking for more than one sentence on one of only four albums (or rather: reissues thereof) that were initially the topic of this verbose discussion isn't asking too much ... well, I guess, I hope!

Yes, the Dexter Gordon Dootone is very nice, particularly since his recorded legacy around that time is extremely slim so any aural evidence is welcome. I cannot speak for the Boplicity CD reissue of the Buddy Collette LP (I have a reissue on vinyl) but musically speaking I find it quite enjoyable. It's not something you would want if you were all set on earth-shaking trailblazers but for straight-ahead jazz of those times it is well done.

Though I must hasten to admit that my own perception of those items is a bit colored by my personal approach to this entire subject: "What, JAZZ on Dootone, that R&B and doo-wop label? What would THEY have been doing there?" A bit like with the Sonny Criss LP on Peacock, for example. Curiosity in this way of listening might mellow my judgment a little compared to that of others who might compare details to output on this or that other (strictly jazz) label.

I think we should stop criticising moderators, implicitly or otherwise. We all know by now that they can never get it right...

Er ... how many more smilies would one have to insert to make it clear that is is not a matter of criticising but just of poking a little fun?

(Besides, it WOULD have been possible to get it right ..,

Edited November 7, 2013 by Big Beat Steve

[J.A.W.]

I think we should stop criticising moderators, implicitly or otherwise. We all know by now that they can never get it right...

Er ... how many more smilies would one have to insert to make it clear that is is not a matter of criticising but just of poking a little fun?

That's why I said "implicitly or otherwise"; whatever you want to call it, it was criticism.

Edited November 7, 2013 by J.A.W.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

@Greg M.:

P-Vine was really FINE in the vinyl days when they ran reissues of R&B 78rpm-era releases that had not seen the light of reissue days anywhere before but now ... ? I've read rather lukewarm reviews of P-Vine CD reissues in print here and there in recent years but cannot vouch for sucjh judgment first-hand. They are hard to get hold of and those P-Vine CDs that I have seen in more recent times somehow did not seem that unique in what they covered, so ...

This is a nice P-vine album

MG

[gmonahan]

By the way, I appreciate the moderators expanding this thread to include Crown. It coincided perfectly for me with that purchase of those P-Vine reissues!

Selfishly,

gregmo

[Teasing the Korean]

Is "Jazz Heat, Bongo Beat" getting reissued? Or Milt Raskin's "Kapu?"

[Bluesnik]

Examples of exceptions:

More exceptions:

which i have.

[etherbored]

mg -

i'm too lazy at the moment to check the details - when was that jb's reunion side issued...? looks great.

and as hans said above, i've had my fair share of poorly p-vine transfers...

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

mg -

i'm too lazy at the moment to check the details - when was that jb's reunion side issued...? looks great.

and as hans said above, i've had my fair share of poorly p-vine transfers...

It's a really nice album with people you don't quite expect on it - Jabo, Clyde, StClair (last recording before he died) - as well as the usual suspects. No recording date in the sleeve but late 1998/early 1999. Copyright date is 1999. My copy is a Euro issue by ZYX.

MG

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

That's right. They have the Modern/RPM files (which is what Crown - the budget spinoff of Modern/RPM - ultimately is).

My question/doubt above concerned the situation of the Chet Baker/Chico Hamilton releases that clearly were not RECORDED by Modern/RPM/Crown.

Hamilton's CLP5310, for example, is a combination of 1956 recordings first released on Pacific Jazz PJ1220 and World Pacific WP1231. So came these masters to be owned or LEASED by Crown?

leased under the counter probs. lp doesnt say leased from world pacific or nothin of course. i just wonder what theyre doin w/ 90% of the crown tapes, you know, the not classic stuff, all the mood music, whatever....there are hundreds of them. i dont think they have them all. certainly theres never gonna be cd reissues of every tape they got, thats impossible. id be very suprised to learn if all those crown tapes existed.

what about the last known (by me) bihari related vinyl record, from 1979. an lp of remakes, of popular disco hits, incl. do ya think im sexy? and Heart of Glass. wonder if that tapes there

Edited November 10, 2013 by chewy

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

thanks for postin those mastertape pics. never saw that dootone address on the upper right, before, that must of been a later address, like maybe their offices where they stored the tapes. is any info known how ace broked there dootone deal. it has nothing to do w/ crown/modern/rpm/bihari bros.

they sure moved a long way from south central ave....

Edited November 10, 2013 by chewy