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Cyril, most of those ARE Impressionist paintings, not allusions to them.

(And when was Le Douanier an Impressionist :))

MG

Thanks, MG. I'll delete it. But ....I like it the best. :)

BTW Henri Rousseau was a post-impressionist, like Vincent van Gogh. Van Gogh was a post-impressionist painter, but he's also listed as an impressionist...

For the 'PURE', impressionist painters, those who developed their impressionist style without interferences from any other style, the list, with the risks of using a dangerously simplistic purism, would be reduced to only three names: Monet, Pissarro and Sisley.

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Manet of course, was neither strictly an Impressionist, but rather more connected to Courbet and Realism. He became Impressionist more by association and a willingness to cross fertilise stylistically as an 'elder statesmen' with the bourgeois radicals of the movement. There would be parallels in Jazz with Hard Bop players who developed affinities with the younger Fire Music or New Thing players, but I can't think of any off hand now.

John Patton? Joe Henderson?, but his less user friendly music was still very user friendly in a harder edged sort of way.

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Manet of course, was neither strictly an Impressionist, but rather more connected to Courbet and Realism. He became Impressionist more by association and a willingness to cross fertilise stylistically as an 'elder statesmen' with the bourgeois radicals of the movement. There would be parallels in Jazz with Hard Bop players who developed affinities with the younger Fire Music or New Thing players, but I can't think of any off hand now.

John Patton? Joe Henderson?, but his less user friendly music was still very user friendly in a harder edged sort of way.

Larry Young, too.

MG

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Manet of course, was neither strictly an Impressionist, but rather more connected to Courbet and Realism. He became Impressionist more by association and a willingness to cross fertilise stylistically as an 'elder statesmen' with the bourgeois radicals of the movement. There would be parallels in Jazz with Hard Bop players who developed affinities with the younger Fire Music or New Thing players, but I can't think of any off hand now.

John Patton? Joe Henderson?, but his less user friendly music was still very user friendly in a harder edged sort of way.

Larry Young, too.

MG

I was thinking of Larry Young, but I read the liner notes to (maybe?) Of Love And Peace, and Young spoke about seeing himself from the get go as being a bridge between the two positions. Whereas I think Manet, was a fully fledged post-Courbet Realist, and was more reaching out to the Impressionist 'New Thing,' out of aesthetic interest and his own direction. So I thought John Patton was a better fit as it were, because he really did start out culturally and aesthetically from a more fixed position musically.

In fact, I don't think there's been many great players who made such a slow and methodical transition from one position to another as Patton did over the decade. Apart from The godlike Coltrane. There must be more, but even Moncur, McLean etc. all started from the edgier side of things within a mainstream context.

There would be others that played R&B or Chitlin Circuit Jazz that become aesthetically and Culturally radicalised, but they usually weren't recording with a fully fledged voice at the top of the heap like Patton was.

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