John Coltrane US Navy Recordings

[Hardbopjazz]

Anyone know anything about this recording? The date I have 1946-07-13.

[Blue Train]

Not sure about the rules on this and if I am breaking them.....delete my response.

John Coltrane - First Giant Steps

First recording included.....Coltrane/Navy/Hawaiʻi

Edited June 3, 2013 by Blue Train

[Hardbopjazz]

Don't really follow your reply. So this is the first recording of Coltrane. I tried to find the recording, but I didn't see it on Amazon or listed in allmusic.com.

Now I know what you mean. It is most likely a priviate recording and not something usually talked about on the board.

Edited June 3, 2013 by Hardbopjazz

[Blue Train]

Yes, and he was 20 and on alto. Tenor on the 1954 portion with Johnny Hodges.

John Coltrane - First Giant Steps

Edited June 3, 2013 by Blue Train

[JSngry]

The Navy stuff is of "historical importance" only, imo. The Hodges gig, ototh, is pretty nice.

It's on amazon under the title BT provided. Not gonna link it, b/c this RLR outfit exists more or less only to get themselves paid off of stuff that used to be online for free (and before that, tradable, again for free) and they can kiss all of my mofunkinass because of that (and more), but...it's there, won't pretend it's not.

[Quincy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGnY-axUH0U

[Larry Kart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGnY-axUH0U

Better than I expected. Definite traces of Earl Bostic.

[Hardbopjazz]

Amazing playing at 20.

[CJ Shearn]

Wow, very impressive at 20 indeed, the tone isn't quite there but pretty amazing!

Edited June 4, 2013 by CJ Shearn

[Blue Train]

The Navy stuff is of "historical importance" only, imo. The Hodges gig, ototh, is pretty nice.

It's on amazon under the title BT provided. Not gonna link it, b/c this RLR outfit exists more or less only to get themselves paid off of stuff that used to be online for free (and before that, tradable, again for free) and they can kiss all of my mofunkinass because of that (and more), but...it's there, won't pretend it's not.

Not knowing the rules, I didn't post any link to the free stuff.

But it's not hard to find even the recording I mentioned for anyone interested.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Blue Train

[JSngry]

No, don't post links to free stuff of this nature. Right call.

The RLR item in question is borderline, I guess it's legal in Europe(?), but maybe not really b/c it's not really PD? No matter, really, it's bootleg from any angle. So, no, no linking to that either. Discuss freely, though.

If anybody who wants this material can read this board, you can most likely use the internet just fine on your own, so..use it!

[AllenLowe]

the distressing thing is that the restoration has completeley effed up this recording - the cymbals are gone and it has that damned gurgling thing. Does anyone have access to the originals?

[JSngry]

ORIGINAL originals? No idea. WKCR(?) aired the Navy sessions and various incarnations of that have been circulating for a few years now. The Hodges thing might have actually surfaced on an LP, one of those off-off-brand jobs that showed up in a store for, like, five minutes and then disappeared forever until the internet. My copy of it is fairly "immediate" sounding, not bad at all. Haven't really paid that much attention to the Navy stuff other than one or two listens.

[Stereojack]

Actually, the Hodges stuff was available for a time on a Boris Rose LP issued under Hodges' name. I haven't listened to it in years, but I recall that the sound was pretty good. Trane is actually pictured on the back of one of Hodges' Norgran LP's, but does not solo at all. The live sides offer a fine glimpse of how this band sounded live, and Trane sounds really good.

One or two of the Navy tracks were on a Rhino 2-CD set some years ago which presented an overview of Trane's career. I agree that this 1945 stuff is strictly of historical interest.