MLB 2013 Season

[JSngry]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Then make a rule. Otherwise, Steve Bartman fucked his team, but broke no rules.

We do follow the rules, don't we?

And if that would have been a Marlins' fielder, he'd be a hero to this day, a True Cubs Legend. But oh well about that.

Again - if you don't like a rule, that's one thing. But what fans "need" to do is a matter of opinion. What they can do is covered by some clear-cut rules, to be enforced by the umpires, using video replay technology if they choose.

So whine all you want about what you don't like. But let there be no mistake - no rules were broken. None. So play ball, and just get over it.

Edited April 23, 2013 by JSngry

[PHILLYQ]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Poor Bartman still getting bashed, but the horrible Cubs relievers get off the hook, and the toothpick-chewin' manager who ran them out there...

[JETman]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Poor Bartman still getting bashed, but the horrible Cubs relievers get off the hook, and the toothpick-chewin' manager who ran them out there...

meanwhile you'e still counting your lucky stars you had itsy-bitsy Jeffrey Maier. Just think. Only 10 months earlier, the sports pages yelled "Joe Who?". Yankee fans might still be yelling that if not for their little innocent guardian angel.

[Tim McG]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Then make a rule. Otherwise, Steve Bartman fucked his team, but broke no rules.

We do follow the rules, don't we?

And if that would have been a Marlins' fielder, he'd be a hero to this day, a True Cubs Legend. But oh well about that.

Again - if you don't like a rule, that's one thing. But what fans "need" to do is a matter of opinion. What they can do is covered by some clear-cut rules, to be enforced by the umpires, using video replay technology if they choose.

So whine all you want about what you don't like. But let there be no mistake - no rules were broken. None. So play ball, and just get over it.

I get your point.

But as a purest, weather or not the fan has the "right" to the ball is inconsequential.

I plunk down some serious cash to see pro ball players perform on the field, not some self-absorbed fan with a glaring need to get a souvenir, or worse, alter the outcome of a game. Fans need to stay out of the way of any ballplayer going for a ball and I don't give two hoots and a holler if the ball is in or out of the boundaries of the playing field. Keep your damn hands off of the ball. Period.

Call me spoiled.

Edited April 23, 2013 by GoodSpeak

[JSngry]

So...fans need to obey rules that don't exist and respect rights that nobody has?

If it was that important to MLB, they would but up screens or chicken wire or oversized pantyhose, or something to create The Line Ye Dare Not Cross Without The Express Written Consent Of Major League Baseball!

But they don't. They figure that if a ball is in the fan's space (and the fan's space it is, as should be evident by the fact that a player cannot just jump or climb into the seats to catch a foul ball or a home run) and the player can get it by leaning into that space, good for the player, and if not, then good for the fan. (Let it be noted that the fan does not have that same right. so the primacy of the competition is stipulated to as is. But also note that "on the field" and "over the wall" are two distinct places.)

Sounds fundamentally American to me, unlike hey, it's the player's ball even if it's two or three rows deep, part the waters and get outta the way.

What is this, England, with a Queen and shit?

Edited April 23, 2013 by JSngry

[Tim McG]

So...fans need to obey rules that don't exist and respect rights that nobody has?

If it was that important to MLB, they would but up screens or chicken wire or oversized pantyhose, or something to create The Line Ye Dare Not Cross Without The Express Written Consent Of Major League Baseball!

But they don't. They figure that if a ball is in the fan's space (and the fan's space it is, as should be evident by the fact that a player cannot just jump or climb into the seats to catch a foul ball or a home run) and the player can get it by leaning into that space, good for the player, and if not, then good for the fan. (Let it be noted that the fan does not have that same right. so the primacy of the competition is stipulated to as is. But also note that "on the field" and "over the wall" are two distinct places.)

Sounds fundamentally American to me, unlike hey, it's the player's ball even if it's two or three rows deep, part the waters and get outta the way.

What is this, England, with a Queen and shit?

They don't put up fences because it would hinder the view for the fans. Look, rules are one thing. Because you "can" do something doesn't make it right.

The game of baseball is filled with unwritten rules like retaliation for a beaned batter or running across the mound on the way back to the dugout or not stealing in the late innings when the game is out of hand in your team's favor, etc. None of that is in the rule book either.

I didn't come to the ballpark to watch the fans. I come to watch the players. Fans need to respect that the game is not about them grabbing a fly ball. It has been an unwritten rule since well before I saw my first 'live' game back in 1962. It has always been the unstated decorum for fans. Always.

Even the players respect that when a ball goes into the dugout, nobody is deflecting the ball or hindering play That would be outside the boundaries too, wouldn't it? Even the camera men get out of the way. Why should fans play it any differently?

Makes no sense.

Edited April 23, 2013 by GoodSpeak

[JSngry]

Cameramen get paid to be there, they are employees. Players get paid to be there, they are employees. Fans pay to be there, they are customers, and the "company" of whom they are customers have given them certain rights, which they have eery right to excericse. By the same token, if they exceed their given rights, there are penalities.

Totally fair. And totally American.

The simple solution to this problem that does not exist (as well as to a safety issue that does) would be to put up a fine, see-through screen around all seating that could conceivably be entered into by a player and make it such a height that neither player nor fan could scale it. And then a player could lean into the screen and catch a ball that he might not have been able to if a fan had gotten there first. If it's your team that benefits, great. And if not, well, be careful what you ask for.

And God Bless America, where People Can Still Make Crazy Happen. I'd not have it any other way.

[Tim McG]

Cameramen get paid to be there, they are employees. Players get paid to be there, they are employees. Fans pay to be there, they are customers, and the "company" of whom they are customers have given them certain rights, which they have eery right to excericse. By the same token, if they exceed their given rights, there are penalities.

Totally fair. And totally American.

The simple solution to this problem that does not exist (as well as to a safety issue that does) would be to put up a fine, see-through screen around all seating that could conceivably be entered into by a player and make it such a height that neither player nor fan could scale it. And then a player could lean into the screen and catch a ball that he might not have been able to if a fan had gotten there first. If it's your team that benefits, great. And if not, well, be careful what you ask for.

And God Bless America, where People Can Still Make Crazy Happen. I'd not have it any other way.

I see.

So if i'm a paying customer that gives me carte blanc to do just anything I please...even if it ruins the enjoyment of the game for the other 45,000 paying customers?

Well, it is not a game I would want to attend.

[JSngry]

Fans pay to be there, they are customers, and the "company" of whom they are customers have given them certain rights, which they have eery right to excericse. By the same token, if they exceed their given rights, there are penalities.

So if i'm a paying customer that gives me carte blanc to do just anything I please...even if it ruins the enjoyment of the game for the other 45,000 paying customers?

Both of our bad spellings aside - Seriously?

It would be a lot easier to just say that you don't like the rule but it is what it is, maybe some day it'll be changed/modified/whatever.

But instead,the argument is that Certain Rights (With Penalties If Exceeded) = Carte Blanche.

Dude...

[PHILLYQ]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Poor Bartman still getting bashed, but the horrible Cubs relievers get off the hook, and the toothpick-chewin' manager who ran them out there...

meanwhile you'e still counting your lucky stars you had itsy-bitsy Jeffrey Maier. Just think. Only 10 months earlier, the sports pages yelled "Joe Who?". Yankee fans might still be yelling that if not for their little innocent guardian angel.

There was quite a difference between Bartman and Maier- Bartman was so villified he had to move, and Maier made the rounds of the morning talk shows! Bartman did what any fan woulld do- he saw a ball coming his way and tried to catch it. Maier interfered with a ball on the field of play and shoulda been tossed form the game. IIRC, Rich Garcia was the ump and he correctly admitted after the game that he had made a bad call. I remember watching the game and shaking my head and saying, "How's that a home run?" I get no joy from the team I am rooting for being on the good side of a bad call- I'd rather they win by hitting better, less mistakes, etc. I'd much rather there be no bad calls, but that's not realistic and we can't replay it, so let it go and move on.

By that point in the season Torre had already proven himself to be a good manager, so the 'Joe Who?' headlines didn't matter anymore.

[JETman]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Poor Bartman still getting bashed, but the horrible Cubs relievers get off the hook, and the toothpick-chewin' manager who ran them out there...

meanwhile you'e still counting your lucky stars you had itsy-bitsy Jeffrey Maier. Just think. Only 10 months earlier, the sports pages yelled "Joe Who?". Yankee fans might still be yelling that if not for their little innocent guardian angel.

There was quite a difference between Bartman and Maier- Bartman was so villified he had to move, and Maier made the rounds of the morning talk shows! Bartman did what any fan woulld do- he saw a ball coming his way and tried to catch it. Maier interfered with a ball on the field of play and shoulda been tossed form the game. IIRC, Rich Garcia was the ump and he correctly admitted after the game that he had made a bad call. I remember watching the game and shaking my head and saying, "How's that a home run?" I get no joy from the team I am rooting for being on the good side of a bad call- I'd rather they win by hitting better, less mistakes, etc. I'd much rather there be no bad calls, but that's not realistic and we can't replay it, so let it go and move on.

By that point in the season Torre had already proven himself to be a good manager, so the 'Joe Who?' headlines didn't matter anymore.

I would argue that had the kid not interfered with that, there was a distinct possibility that the Skanks don't go on to win the WS that year. The time-space continuum would have changed and they don't win 98, 99 and 00 either. From my Mets perspective, Torre was a bum, and got way too much credit for the Yanks' winning ways.

[Tim McG]

Fans pay to be there, they are customers, and the "company" of whom they are customers have given them certain rights, which they have eery right to excericse. By the same token, if they exceed their given rights, there are penalities.

So if i'm a paying customer that gives me carte blanc to do just anything I please...even if it ruins the enjoyment of the game for the other 45,000 paying customers?

Both of our bad spellings aside - Seriously?

It would be a lot easier to just say that you don't like the rule but it is what it is, maybe some day it'll be changed/modified/whatever.

But instead,the argument is that Certain Rights (With Penalties If Exceeded) = Carte Blanche.

Look, all I'm saying is fan interference is no more justified than using a Howitzer as the pitcher.

The rules don't disallow cannon fire either.

Personally, I want to watch the game not some dork steal an out from an OFer. And I don't give a tinker's damn what the rules say.

[Soulstation1]

Eruption in 3 innings ............

[JSngry]

Look, all I'm saying is fan interference is no more justified than using a Howitzer as the pitcher.

The rules don't disallow cannon fire either.

Personally, I want to watch the game not some dork steal an out from an OFer. And I don't give a tinker's damn what the rules say.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

Official Rules: 8.00 The Pitcher

8.01

Legal pitching delivery. There are two legal pitching positions, the Windup Position and the Set Position, and either position may be used at any time.

Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber.

Rule 8.01 Comment: Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides.

Pitchers will not be allowed to disengage the rubber after taking each sign.

(a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.

When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position.

Rule 8.01(a) Comment: In the Windup Position, a pitcher is permitted to have his free foot on the rubber, in front of the rubber, behind the rubber or off the side of the rubber.

From the Windup Position, the pitcher may:

(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or

(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or

(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides).

In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first.

He may not go into a set or stretch positionif he does it is a balk.

(b) The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his pivot foot in contact with, and his other foot in front of, the pitchers plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitchers plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming Set Position, the pitcher may elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as the stretch. But if he so elects, he shall come to Set Position before delivering the ball to the batter. After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption.

Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01(b) without interruption and in one continuous motion.

The pitcher, following his stretch, must (a) hold the ball in both hands in front of his body and (b) come to a complete stop. This must be enforced. Umpires should watch this closely. Pitchers are constantly attempting to beat the rule in their efforts to hold runners on bases and in cases where the pitcher fails to make a complete stop called for in the rules, the umpire should immediately call a Balk.

Rule 8.01(b) Comment: With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpires judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball. See Rule 8.05(e) Comment.

© At any time during the pitchers preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw.

Rule 8.01© Comment: The pitcher shall step ahead of the throw. A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.

(d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.

Rule 8.01(d) Comment: A ball which slips out of a pitchers hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.

(e) If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitchers plate by stepping backward with that foot, he thereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by any other infielder.

Rule 8.01(e) Comment: The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder.

8.02

The pitcher shall not --

(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.

PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.

(2) expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove;

(3) rub the ball on his glove, person or clothing;

(4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;

(5) deface the ball in any manner; or

(6) deliver a ball altered in a manner prescribed by Rule 8.02(a)(2) through (5) or what is called the shine ball, spit ball, mud ball or emery ball. The pitcher is allowed to rub the ball between his bare hands.

PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6)

(a) the pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically. In National Association Leagues, the automatic suspension shall be for 10 games.

(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the team at bat may advise the plate umpire-in-chief that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.

© Even though the team at bat elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.

(d) If the manager of the team at bat does not elect to accept the play, the umpire-inchief shall call an automatic ball and, if there are any runners on base, a balk.

(e) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.

Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth for violations of 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6). If the pitcher persists in violating either of those Rules, however, the umpire should then apply the penalty.

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

(2) expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove;

(3) rub the ball on his glove, person or clothing;

(4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;

(5) deface the ball in any manner; or

(6) deliver a ball defaced in a manner prescribed by Rule 8.02(a)(2) through (5) or what is called the shine ball, spit ball, mud ball or emery ball. The pitcher is allowed to rub the ball between his bare hands.

PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6):

(a) The pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically for 10 games.

(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.

© Even though the offense elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.

(d) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.

Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or Rule 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth for violations of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6). If the pitcher persists in violating either of those Rules, however, the umpire should then apply the penalty.

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

(b)Have on his person, or in his possession, any foreign substance. For infraction of this section (b) the penalty shall be immediate ejection from the game. In addition, the pitcher shall be suspended automatically. In National Association Leagues, the automatic suspension shall be for 10 games.

© Intentionally delay the game by throwing the ball to players other then the catcher, when the batter is in position, except in an attempt to retire a runner.

PENALTY: If, after warning by the umpire, such delaying action is repeated, the pitcher shall be removed from the game.

(d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter.

If, in the umpires judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:

1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or

2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager.

If, in the umpires judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially warned prior to the game or at any time during the game.

(League Presidents may take additional action under authority provided in Rule 9.05.)

Rule 8.02(d) Comment: To pitch at a batters head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should beand iscondemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.

8.03

When a pitcher takes his position at the beginning of each inning, or when he relieves another pitcher, he shall be permitted to pitch not to exceed eight preparatory pitches to his catcher during which play shall be suspended. A league by its own action may limit the number of preparatory pitches to less than eight preparatory pitches. Such preparatory pitches shall not consume more than one minute of time. If a sudden emergency causes a pitcher to be summoned into the game without any opportunity to warm up, the umpire-in-chief shall allow him as many pitches as the umpire deems necessary.

8.04

When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call Ball. The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing stops when the pitcher releases the ball.

The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.

8.05

If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when --

(a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery;

Rule 8.05(a) Comment: If a lefthanded or righthanded pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitchers rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick-off-play. (b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw;

© The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base;

Rule 8.05© Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk.

A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then immediately and in practically the same motion wheels and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.

(d) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play;

(e) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch;

Rule 8.05(e) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batters box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted.

(f) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;

(g) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitchers plate;

(h) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game;

Rule 8.05(h) Comment: Rule 8.05(h) shall not apply when a warning is given pursuant to Rule 8.02© (which prohibits intentional delay of a game by throwing to fielders not in an attempt to put a runner out). If a pitcher is ejected pursuant to Rule 8.02© for continuing to delay the game, the penalty in Rule 8.05(h) shall also apply. Rule 8.04 (which sets a time limit for a pitcher to deliver the ball when the bases are unoccupied) applies only when there are no runners on base.

(i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitchers plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch;

(j) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base;

(k) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally drops the ball;

(l) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catchers box;

(m)The pitcher delivers the pitch from Set Position without coming to a stop.

PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

APPROVED RULING: In cases where a pitcher balks and throws wild, either to a base or to home plate, a runner or runners may advance beyond the base to which he is entitled at his own risk.

APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule. Rule 8.05 Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpires mind, the intent of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind:

(a) Straddling the pitchers rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk.

(b) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.

8.06

A professional league shall adopt the following rule pertaining to the visit of the manager or coach to the pitcher:

(a) This rule limits the number of trips a manager or coach may make to any one pitcher in any one inning;

(b) A second trip to the same pitcher in the same inning will cause this pitchers automatic removal;

© The manager or coach is prohibited from making a second visit to the mound while the same batter is at bat, but

(d) if a pinch-hitter is substituted for this batter, the manager or coach may make a second visit to the mound, but must remove the pitcher.

A manager or coach is considered to have concluded his visit to the mound when he leaves the 18-foot circle surrounding the pitchers rubber.

Rule 8.06 Comment: If the manager or coach goes to the catcher or infielder and that player then goes to the mound or the pitcher comes to him at his position before there is an intervening play (a pitch or other play) that will be the same as the manager or coach going to the mound.

Any attempt to evade or circumvent this rule by the manager or coach going to the catcher or an infielder and then that player going to the mound to confer with the pitcher shall constitute a trip to the mound.

If the coach goes to the mound and removes a pitcher and then the manager goes to the mound to talk with the new pitcher, that will constitute one trip to that new pitcher that inning.

In a case where a manager has made his first trip to the mound and then returns the second time to the mound in the same inning with the same pitcher in the game and the same batter at bat, after being warned by the umpire that he cannot return to the mound, the manager shall be removed from the game and the pitcher required to pitch to the batter until he is retired or gets on base. After the batter is retired, or becomes a base runner, then this pitcher must be removed from the game. The manager should be notified that his pitcher will be removed from the game after he pitches to one hitter, so he can have a substitute pitcher warmed up.

The substitute pitcher will be allowed eight preparatory pitches or more if in the umpires judgment circumstances justify

Now, if you can get a Howitzer that can pass that muster, hey, go for it!

[JSngry]

Oh, speaking of official rules: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/game_preliminaries_3.jsp (emphasis added)

3.16
When there is spectator interference with any thrown or batted ball, the ball shall be dead at the moment of interference and the umpire shall impose such penalties as in his opinion will nullify the act of interference.
APPROVED RULING: If spectator interference clearly prevents a fielder from catching a fly ball, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
Rule 3.16 Comment: There is a difference between a ball which has been thrown or batted into the stands, touching a spectator thereby being out of play even though it rebounds onto the field and a spectator going onto the field or reaching over, under or through a barrier and touching a ball in play or touching or otherwise interfering with a player. In the latter case it is clearly intentional and shall be dealt with as intentional interference as in Rule 3.15. Batter and runners shall be placed where in the umpires judgment they would have been had the interference not occurred.

No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectators interference. Example: Runner on third base, one out and a batter hits a fly ball deep to the outfield (fair or foul). Spectator clearly interferes with the outfielder attempting to catch the fly ball. Umpire calls the batter out for spectator interference. Ball is dead at the time of the call. Umpire decides that because of the distance the ball was hit, the runner on third base would have scored after the catch if the fielder had caught the ball which was interfered with, therefore, the runner is permitted to score. This might not be the case if such fly ball was interfered with a short distance from home plate.

Q.E. motherfucking D.

[jlhoots]

Back to what's important - the Brewers have won 9 in a row!!

[Tim McG]

Brewers are looking great so far this year.

They sure tore up my Giants last week.

Look, all I'm saying is fan interference is no more justified than using a Howitzer as the pitcher.

The rules don't disallow cannon fire either.

Personally, I want to watch the game not some dork steal an out from an OFer. And I don't give a tinker's damn what the rules say.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

>Official Rules: 8.00 The Pitcher

8.01
Legal pitching delivery. There are two legal pitching positions, the Windup Position and the Set Position, and either position may be used at any time.
Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber.
Rule 8.01 Comment: Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides.
Pitchers will not be allowed to disengage the rubber after taking each sign.
(a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.
When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position.
Rule 8.01(a) Comment: In the Windup Position, a pitcher is permitted to have his free foot on the rubber, in front of the rubber, behind the rubber or off the side of the rubber.
From the Windup Position, the pitcher may:
(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or
(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or
(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides).
In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first.
He may not go into a set or stretch positionif he does it is a balk.
(b) The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his pivot foot in contact with, and his other foot in front of, the pitchers plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitchers plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming Set Position, the pitcher may elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as the stretch. But if he so elects, he shall come to Set Position before delivering the ball to the batter. After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption.
Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01(b) without interruption and in one continuous motion.
The pitcher, following his stretch, must (a) hold the ball in both hands in front of his body and (b) come to a complete stop. This must be enforced. Umpires should watch this closely. Pitchers are constantly attempting to beat the rule in their efforts to hold runners on bases and in cases where the pitcher fails to make a complete stop called for in the rules, the umpire should immediately call a Balk.
Rule 8.01(b) Comment: With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpires judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball. See Rule 8.05(e) Comment.
© At any time during the pitchers preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw.
Rule 8.01© Comment: The pitcher shall step ahead of the throw. A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.
(d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.
Rule 8.01(d) Comment: A ball which slips out of a pitchers hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.
(e) If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitchers plate by stepping backward with that foot, he thereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by any other infielder.
Rule 8.01(e) Comment: The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder.

8.02
The pitcher shall not --
(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.
PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.
(2) expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove;
(3) rub the ball on his glove, person or clothing;
(4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;
(5) deface the ball in any manner; or
(6) deliver a ball altered in a manner prescribed by Rule 8.02(a)(2) through (5) or what is called the shine ball, spit ball, mud ball or emery ball. The pitcher is allowed to rub the ball between his bare hands.
PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6)
(a) the pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically. In National Association Leagues, the automatic suspension shall be for 10 games.
(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the team at bat may advise the plate umpire-in-chief that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.
© Even though the team at bat elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.
(d) If the manager of the team at bat does not elect to accept the play, the umpire-inchief shall call an automatic ball and, if there are any runners on base, a balk.
(e) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.
Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth for violations of 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6). If the pitcher persists in violating either of those Rules, however, the umpire should then apply the penalty.
Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.
(2) expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove;
(3) rub the ball on his glove, person or clothing;
(4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;
(5) deface the ball in any manner; or
(6) deliver a ball defaced in a manner prescribed by Rule 8.02(a)(2) through (5) or what is called the shine ball, spit ball, mud ball or emery ball. The pitcher is allowed to rub the ball between his bare hands.
PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6):
(a) The pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically for 10 games.
(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.
© Even though the offense elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.
(d) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.
Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or Rule 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth for violations of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6). If the pitcher persists in violating either of those Rules, however, the umpire should then apply the penalty.
Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.
(b)Have on his person, or in his possession, any foreign substance. For infraction of this section (b) the penalty shall be immediate ejection from the game. In addition, the pitcher shall be suspended automatically. In National Association Leagues, the automatic suspension shall be for 10 games.
© Intentionally delay the game by throwing the ball to players other then the catcher, when the batter is in position, except in an attempt to retire a runner.
PENALTY: If, after warning by the umpire, such delaying action is repeated, the pitcher shall be removed from the game.
(d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter.
If, in the umpires judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:
1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or
2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager.
If, in the umpires judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially warned prior to the game or at any time during the game.
(League Presidents may take additional action under authority provided in Rule 9.05.)
Rule 8.02(d) Comment: To pitch at a batters head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should beand iscondemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.

8.03
When a pitcher takes his position at the beginning of each inning, or when he relieves another pitcher, he shall be permitted to pitch not to exceed eight preparatory pitches to his catcher during which play shall be suspended. A league by its own action may limit the number of preparatory pitches to less than eight preparatory pitches. Such preparatory pitches shall not consume more than one minute of time. If a sudden emergency causes a pitcher to be summoned into the game without any opportunity to warm up, the umpire-in-chief shall allow him as many pitches as the umpire deems necessary.

8.04
When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call Ball. The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing stops when the pitcher releases the ball.
The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.

8.05
If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when --
(a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery;
Rule 8.05(a) Comment: If a lefthanded or righthanded pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitchers rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick-off-play. (b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw;
© The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base;
Rule 8.05© Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk.
A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then immediately and in practically the same motion wheels and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.
(d) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play;
(e) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch;
Rule 8.05(e) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batters box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted.
(f) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;
(g) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitchers plate;
(h) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game;
Rule 8.05(h) Comment: Rule 8.05(h) shall not apply when a warning is given pursuant to Rule 8.02© (which prohibits intentional delay of a game by throwing to fielders not in an attempt to put a runner out). If a pitcher is ejected pursuant to Rule 8.02© for continuing to delay the game, the penalty in Rule 8.05(h) shall also apply. Rule 8.04 (which sets a time limit for a pitcher to deliver the ball when the bases are unoccupied) applies only when there are no runners on base.
(i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitchers plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch;
(j) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base;
(k) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally drops the ball;
(l) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catchers box;
(m)The pitcher delivers the pitch from Set Position without coming to a stop.
PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.
APPROVED RULING: In cases where a pitcher balks and throws wild, either to a base or to home plate, a runner or runners may advance beyond the base to which he is entitled at his own risk.
APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule. Rule 8.05 Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpires mind, the intent of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind:
(a) Straddling the pitchers rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk.
(b) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.

8.06
A professional league shall adopt the following rule pertaining to the visit of the manager or coach to the pitcher:
(a) This rule limits the number of trips a manager or coach may make to any one pitcher in any one inning;
(b) A second trip to the same pitcher in the same inning will cause this pitchers automatic removal;
© The manager or coach is prohibited from making a second visit to the mound while the same batter is at bat, but
(d) if a pinch-hitter is substituted for this batter, the manager or coach may make a second visit to the mound, but must remove the pitcher.
A manager or coach is considered to have concluded his visit to the mound when he leaves the 18-foot circle surrounding the pitchers rubber.
Rule 8.06 Comment: If the manager or coach goes to the catcher or infielder and that player then goes to the mound or the pitcher comes to him at his position before there is an intervening play (a pitch or other play) that will be the same as the manager or coach going to the mound.
Any attempt to evade or circumvent this rule by the manager or coach going to the catcher or an infielder and then that player going to the mound to confer with the pitcher shall constitute a trip to the mound.
If the coach goes to the mound and removes a pitcher and then the manager goes to the mound to talk with the new pitcher, that will constitute one trip to that new pitcher that inning.
In a case where a manager has made his first trip to the mound and then returns the second time to the mound in the same inning with the same pitcher in the game and the same batter at bat, after being warned by the umpire that he cannot return to the mound, the manager shall be removed from the game and the pitcher required to pitch to the batter until he is retired or gets on base. After the batter is retired, or becomes a base runner, then this pitcher must be removed from the game. The manager should be notified that his pitcher will be removed from the game after he pitches to one hitter, so he can have a substitute pitcher warmed up.
The substitute pitcher will be allowed eight preparatory pitches or more if in the umpires judgment circumstances justify

Now, if you can get a Howitzer that can pass that muster, hey, go for it!

Still no mention of cannon fire

[JSngry]

I grew up with the Toy Cannon, so...been there, done that, and actually kind of enjoyed it!

[JSngry]

[Dan Gould]

The crux of the problem with the "Jack Morris pitched to the score" argument.

If he pitched to the score, shouldn't he have been freakin' awesome when his team didn't score a lot of runs?

[JSngry]

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/4/25/4265286/five-yu-darvish-pitches-gif-texas-rangers

At a quick glance, this looks like something out of a video game or cartoon or like Yu Darvish is totally cheating at baseball. What it is, however, is gifs layered on top of one another so that you can see five pitches that the Rangers' ace used against the Angels at the same time:

What will likely be the unsung part of this image is how little Darvish's backstop needed to move for any of these pitches -- even the ghosted versions of him barely shifts over, with Darvish hitting his spot exactly for all five offerings. No wonder Ghost Pujols swung through all of 'em.

Why, so much math there, the fans need slide rules to figure out WTF that ball is doing!

[Tim McG]

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/4/25/4265286/five-yu-darvish-pitches-gif-texas-rangers

At a quick glance, this looks like something out of a video game or cartoon or like Yu Darvish is totally cheating at baseball. What it is, however, is gifs layered on top of one another so that you can see five pitches that the Rangers' ace used against the Angels at the same time:

What will likely be the unsung part of this image is how little Darvish's backstop needed to move for any of these pitches -- even the ghosted versions of him barely shifts over, with Darvish hitting his spot exactly for all five offerings. No wonder Ghost Pujols swung through all of 'em.

OK, now THAT was cool

[JSngry]

One has to wonder if that was what Dock Ellis was seeing....

[PHILLYQ]

The crux of the problem with the "Jack Morris pitched to the score" argument.

If he pitched to the score, shouldn't he have been freakin' awesome when his team didn't score a lot of runs?

Interesting article, Dan, thanks for the link.

[Quincy]

The crux of the problem with the "Jack Morris pitched to the score" argument.

If he pitched to the score, shouldn't he have been freakin' awesome when his team didn't score a lot of runs?

I think if he had been clean shaven and not worn a classic uniform we wouldn't be having endless conversations about him. A Padre with no mustache - who would care?