MLB 2013 Season

[JSngry]

Yeah, in that clip, you might not see the gap. But it is there. It's big enough for people to walk around in, same type of gap that was in left field (only a lot higher) that the fan fell into and died. No interference, though, none at all. No need to do anything except look at it or not. Either way, home run, Rangers!

He's a high school kid, that guy is,, and he now has a nickname - The Keeper. A.J. thanked him in the post-game interview, actually.

I can see where he could be annoying to some, but to me it's far better he be just some kid with a gimmick than some really retardedass song like "Build Me Up Buttercup" or "Sweet Caroline" or "Cotton Eyed Joe". Talk about things that should be banned for life (ours and those of succeeding generations as well, into perpetuity) from every major and minor league park...

[Matthew]

He's in high school?? Seems as if he's been around since David Clyde's first start!

[JSngry]

I think he's 18 now, so yeah, probably still in high school.

Trent Williams, aka Greene's Hill Kid, aka The Keeper of Greene's Hill aka The Keeper.

We got him in the outfield and in the bowl behind home plate we got Sister Frances, who bangs a drum very loudly all night long. Accidentally sat right in front of her at one game last year...children were frightened, and there mothers were annoyed, but me, I felt like I was experiencing history.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/bittersweet-season-for-special-Rangers-fan-131632348.html

Hey, I'm old enough to remember Zonk...

[Soulstation1]

Tribe destroyed the Astros last night!!!

[Dan Gould]

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

So instead he's just a douchebag.

[JSngry]

He's a kid having fun who made a totally legit play. The rules are clear - unambiguous - on that. The outfielder was just pissed that in a battle on neutral territory, he lost. I don't blame him for that, but hey. Fair fight, and you lost this time. Next time, perhaps.

They say that A.J. Pierzynsky is a douchebag, and he might be. But now he's our douchebag, and all is well. He's a douchebag who can hit well and, so far, handle a staff better than most. Douchebag away, A.J.!

Not knowing Trent Williams personally, I have no way of knowing if he is a douchebag or not. If the worst he does is grab home run balls, and then dance, I think I can let that slide. If he's still doing it when he's 28, then we can talk. But for now, hey, baseball is fun for Trent Williams, and good for him.

They PSY thing at the end was unfortunate, but I say that every time and everywhere I see it, which is getting to be more places than not. Gundam Style is not my cuppa douche.

[Matthew]

I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have his fun.

[Tim McG]

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

I'm with you on this one.

I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have his fun.

Not if he interfers with the play.

At ATT, he would have been tossed.

[JSngry]

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

I'm with you on this one.

>>I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have his fun.

Not if he interfers with the play.

At ATT, he would have been tossed.

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

The gap is clearly defined as being "over the fence" aka "out of the park" aka not in the field of play. This gap is considered fair game for fan and player alike.

That gap is not particularly visible in the gif posted here, but it is visible once you know to look for it. It's pretty common knowledge for anybody who knows TBIA (and has been pointed out in previous discussion here).

If the ball clearly/cleanly clears the outfield wall (aka "the fence") in fair territory, as it did here, and is not caught be a defender, as it was not, it is considered a home run. Period.

The only way to call "fan interference" is if a fan reaches over the fence and interferes with a ball still in the field of play. This ball was over the outfield fence but not yet in the fan seating area. It was not still in the field of play. If it had not been caught at all, it would still have been a home run. It would have hit concrete and then bounced around like balls do when they hit concrete.

Ask yourself this - a manager (maybe even a player?) can ask for an umpire video review to see if there was fan interference or not. It's the ump's final call as to whether or not to go ahead and review, but believe me, if anybody in a Seattle uniform would have had even the slightest notion that the ball was still in play when The Keeper kept it, there would have been a ruckus. And there was none. Maybe a whimper of pain or two, but no ruckus. It was a clear, clean home run, and equally clearly and cleanly, there was not even a wisp of fan interference on the play.

It's no different than a foul ball hit into the stands. A fan cannot reach into the field of play to grab a foul ball, but once it crosses over whatever wall or other boundary (visible or projected) separates the field of play from everything else, a fan can do any damn thing they want to, including facilitating the prevention of a catch by a defender. Totally legal, totally legit, and dumbass fans have gotten booed for getting out of the way of an opponent's defender to let them reach up into the stands to catch a foul ball (and for not getting out of the way of the home team's defender). They have no obligation to do any such thing, and a smart fan will do their part to help their team. It's the rules.

So if you're telling me that a fan would be tossed from ATT for doing nothing even remotely inappropriate, for not breaking any rule whatsoever, you are telling me that ATT is run by jack-booted thugs who make their own rules as and when they see fit.

Is that what you're telling me?

Edited April 22, 2013 by JSngry

[JSngry]

One of the game's greats is in the on-deck circle for the at-bat of his life.

"I'm dying," Pujols told the Times.

Detail here: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/9198218/dying-hurting-real-bad

[Matthew]

One of the game's greats is in the on-deck circle for the at-bat of his life.

"I'm dying," Pujols told the Times.

Detail here: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/9198218/dying-hurting-real-bad

Pujols' quote makes sense, the Angels are where older players careers go the die -- just ask Hamilton about that also

[Tim McG]

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

I'm with you on this one.

>>>>>>>>>>I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have his fun.

Not if he interfers with the play.

At ATT, he would have been tossed.

Jsnrgy, on 22 April 2013, said:

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

The gap is clearly defined as being "over the fence" aka "out of the park" aka not in the field of play. This gap is considered fair game for fan and player alike.

That gap is not particularly visible in the gif posted here, but it is visible once you know to look for it. It's pretty common knowledge for anybody who knows TBIA (and has been pointed out in previous discussion here).

If the ball clearly/cleanly clears the outfield wall (aka "the fence") in fair territory, as it did here, and is not caught be a defender, as it was not, it is considered a home run. Period.

The only way to call "fan interference" is if a fan reaches over the fence and interferes with a ball still in the field of play. This ball was over the outfield fence but not yet in the fan seating area. It was not still in the field of play. If it had not been caught at all, it would still have been a home run. It would have hit concrete and then bounced around like balls do when they hit concrete.

Ask yourself this - a manager (maybe even a player?) can ask for an umpire video review to see if there was fan interference or not. It's the ump's final call as to whether or not to go ahead and review, but believe me, if anybody in a Seattle uniform would have had even the slightest notion that the ball was still in play when The Keeper kept it, there would have been a ruckus. And there was none. Maybe a whimper of pain or two, but no ruckus. It was a clear, clean home run, and equally clearly and cleanly, there was not even a wisp of fan interference on the play.

It's no different than a foul ball hit into the stands. A fan cannot reach into the field of play to grab a foul ball, but once it crosses over whatever wall or other boundary (visible or projected) separates the field of play from everything else, a fan can do any damn thing they want to, including facilitating the prevention of a catch by a defender. Totally legal, totally legit, and dumbass fans have gotten booed for getting out of the way of an opponent's defender to let them reach up into the stands to catch a foul ball (and for not getting out of the way of the home team's defender). They have no obligation to do any such thing, and a smart fan will do their part to help their team. It's the rules.

So if you're telling me that a fan would be tossed from ATT for doing nothing even remotely inappropriate, for not breaking any rule whatsoever, you are telling me that ATT is run by jack-booted thugs who make their own rules as and when they see fit.

Is that what you're telling me?

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Um.

I was agreeing with, Dan.

At ATT, if a fan interferes by hindering the player from catching a ball, he would be tossed. I would not tell you a fan would be tossed if he had done nothing.

It looked to me, as it did to Dan, that the fan placed his mitt in front of the mitt of the outfielder. If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO.

To wit:

Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park:

Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

Edited April 22, 2013 by GoodSpeak

[Quincy]

One more time.

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D!

*Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Quincy

[Blue Train]

What an absolute fucking asshole, I'd like to see the GIF of him being cuffed, right on the spot, not just escorted off the premises.

And banned for life from every major league park.

Did your team's fans let the guy know he's a POS?

I would like to think you couldn't make this post up, but I have read enough of your posts to think you reallly need serious help.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Blue Train

[Blue Train]

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

I'm with you on this one.

>>>>>>>>>>I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have hi

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Not if he interfers with the play.

At ATT, he would have been tossed.

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Dan Gould, on 22 April 2013, said:

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

The gap is clearly defined as being "over the fence" aka "out of the park" aka not in the field of play. This gap is considered fair game for fan and player alike.

That gap is not particularly visible in the gif posted here, but it is visible once you know to look for it. It's pretty common knowledge for anybody who knows TBIA (and has been pointed out in previous discussion here).

If the ball clearly/cleanly clears the outfield wall (aka "the fence") in fair territory, as it did here, and is not caught be a defender, as it was not, it is considered a home run. Period.

The only way to call "fan interference" is if a fan reaches over the fence and interferes with a ball still in the field of play. This ball was over the outfield fence but not yet in the fan seating area. It was not still in the field of play. If it had not been caught at all, it would still have been a home run. It would have hit concrete and then bounced around like balls do when they hit concrete.

Ask yourself this - a manager (maybe even a player?) can ask for an umpire video review to see if there was fan interference or not. It's the ump's final call as to whether or not to go ahead and review, but believe me, if anybody in a Seattle uniform would have had even the slightest notion that the ball was still in play when The Keeper kept it, there would have been a ruckus. And there was none. Maybe a whimper of pain or two, but no ruckus. It was a clear, clean home run, and equally clearly and cleanly, there was not even a wisp of fan interference on the play.

It's no different than a foul ball hit into the stands. A fan cannot reach into the field of play to grab a foul ball, but once it crosses over whatever wall or other boundary (visible or projected) separates the field of play from everything else, a fan can do any damn thing they want to, including facilitating the prevention of a catch by a defender. Totally legal, totally legit, and dumbass fans have gotten booed for getting out of the way of an opponent's defender to let them reach up into the stands to catch a foul ball (and for not getting out of the way of the home team's defender). They have no obligation to do any such thing, and a smart fan will do their part to help their team. It's the rules.

So if you're telling me that a fan would be tossed from ATT for doing nothing even remotely inappropriate, for not breaking any rule whatsoever, you are telling me that ATT is run by jack-booted thugs who make their own rules as and when they see fit.

Is that what you're telling me?

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Um.

I was agreeing with you, Dan.

At ATT, if a fan interferes by hindering the player from catching a ball, he would be tossed. What you just wrote was completely opposite of what you said earlier. Not sure what the confusion is. I would not tell you a fan would be tossed if he had done nothing...YOU just did.

Let's review:

It sure as hell looked like interference to me, and that's how it looked like the outfielder was reacting too.

I'm with you on this one.

>>>>>>>>>>I thought he was some 28 year old, acting like a jerk, but 18? let the kid have his fun.

Not if he interfers with the play.

At ATT, he would have been tossed.

It looked to me, as it did to you, that the fan placed his mitt in front of the mitt of the outfielder. If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO.

To wit:

Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park:

Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

Even for you this really is amazing.

It was JSngry and not Dan Gould.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Blue Train

[Tim McG]

Then switch the names. Geez. Like you never made a mistake?

Dan called the fan out first [post #97]. Jim merely posted the gif.

The last post i wrote was incorrect. Jim was the writer.[i have edited it]

Sue me.

[JSngry]

If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO.

To wit:

Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park:

Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well).

#2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out.

#3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued.

#4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions.

One more time.

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D!

*Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense.

That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...).

[Soulstation1]

Him doing the worm

That shiznet is f'n funny

Yeah lock him up and throw away the key

Edited April 23, 2013 by Soulstation1

[JETman]

I bet Tony Tarasco has been having nightmares for the last (almost) 17 years about b.s. like this which indeed could've made all the difference in the world on whether or not the hated "Gringos" go on the run they went on over the ensuing decade and a half. We'll never know.

[Chalupa]

Schilling: R.I. Gov wants $75M back

Edited April 23, 2013 by J.H. Deeley

[Soulstation1]

Sounds like Curt is gonna lose some $$$$$$

[Tim McG]

If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO.

To wit:

Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park:

Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well).

#2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out.

#3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued.

#4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions.

>>>>>>One more time.

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D!

*Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense.

That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...).

But here the deal: Guys routinely leap up and grab balls which are over the fence for an out. Hence, robbing the batter of a HR. So the idea that a ball over the fence is an automatic HR just plain isn't so.That was my point. The Giants eject anybody who interferes with the players' ability to catch the ball. Never heard of a lawsuit.

A ball caught over the fence is an out. Texas is an anomaly with the two fences on either side of a gap. I think that is an unfair advantage for the home team if this fan is allowed to alter the course of the game. That is not in the spirit of the rules.

To wit:

All of those were outs and if a fan got in the way of those catches, in my mind, he is violating the spirit of the rules.

Edited April 23, 2013 by GoodSpeak

[Tim McG]

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago?

The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

Edited April 23, 2013 by GoodSpeak

[JSngry]

If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO.

To wit:

Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park:

Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well).

#2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out.

#3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued.

#4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions.

>>>>>One more time.

Ok, please pay attention -

At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well.

Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D!

*Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense.

That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...).

But here the deal: Guys routinely leap up and grab balls which are over the fence for an out. Hence, robbing the batter of a HR. So the idea that a ball over the fence is an automatic HR just plain isn't so.That was my point. The Giants eject anybody who interferes with the players ability to catch the ball. Never heard of a lawsuit.

A ball caught over the fence is an out. Texas is an anomaly with the two fences on either side of a gap. I think that is an unfair advantage for the home team if this fan is allowed to alter the course of the game. That is not in the spirit of the rules.

To wit:

It's not an "automatic home run", it's only a home run if the fielder doesn't catch it. But the fielder has no "right" to the ball if it's over the fence in the air, as this one was.

The same rule applies to foul balls. The exact, same rule.

As far as TBIA (I'm showing my age, I think it's now called RBIA), being an "anomaly", that I can't say. But there have been plenty of stadiums where fences have been moved in and a similar gap exists. Whether or not they have berms behind them that fans can access, I don't know. There is no standard design to a ballpark, so hey.

But the bottom line is this - it doesn't matter. Any ball that breaks the vertical plane of the fence is fair game for fan or player. It doesn't matter if there is a gap or not, that has nothing to do with the ball breaking the vertical plane of the outfield wall. That ball would have done that regardless of that gap. If the gap wasn't there and The Keeper still gets the ball, it's still a home run.

This is a pretty basic rule, and there's an established procedure in place for umpires to use instant replay to determine if there was interference or not.

If the Giants eject somebody for not breaking any rule, then they are not to be trusted as a law-abiding organization.

Who's that mall mobster who owned the 49-ers? DiBartolo? Maybe his people done got in it now and laws and rules are for other people.

Otherwise, if your ballpark has all fences, in fair and foul territory constructed in such a way that there will never be an occasion for a fan to catch a ball that is rightfully his or hers without there being a sweaty dude (or perhaps someday, a dudette) bearing down towards said fan's paid for stadium space, then I don't care how many Chevron cars, gigantic Coke bottles, or puffy-cute gloves there are to look at, that is a baseball park that is just a TV screen from the 22nd century or some such.

I'm calling Truth AND Fact on the rules (because it is so) and bullshit on the notion that ATT would eject a fan for breaking no rule whatsumever.

[PHILLYQ]

Sounds like Curt is gonna lose some $$$$$$

From what I've seen, he's already lost all the $$ he made in baseball on his vidoegame company