Grant Green

[BFrank]

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

His batting and throwing are rated R? Restricted, contains adult material? What does he do, yell 'FUCK' every throw or hit?

MG

[danasgoodstuff]

His batting and throwing are rated R? Restricted, contains adult material? What does he do, yell 'FUCK' every throw or hit?

MG

In this context, R = right

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

His batting and throwing are rated R? Restricted, contains adult material? What does he do, yell 'FUCK' every throw or hit?

MG

In this context, R = right

He's right-handed, or correct?

MG

[danasgoodstuff]

His batting and throwing are rated R? Restricted, contains adult material? What does he do, yell 'FUCK' every throw or hit?

MG

In this context, R = right

He's right-handed, or correct?

MG

presumably, but not all right handers hit right, although they almost always throw right, some go both ways - 'switch hitters'. No puns inteneded, really.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

His batting and throwing are rated R? Restricted, contains adult material? What does he do, yell 'FUCK' every throw or hit?

MG

In this context, R = right

He's right-handed, or correct?

MG

presumably, but not all right handers hit right, although they almost always throw right, some go both ways - 'switch hitters'. No puns inteneded, really.

Goodness, I never knew that was what a switch hitter was. I can't imagine a cricket batsman lining up to the bowler left handed, if he's a right hander.

MG

[robertoart]

Switch hitter.

Plays Be-bop and Funk.

[Face of the Bass]

Idle Moments is, for me, one of the five best albums ever released on Blue Note. Just impossibly good music.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Switch hitter.

Plays Be-bop and Funk.

Definitely applies.

MG

[robertoart]

Idle Moments is, for me, one of the five best albums ever released on Blue Note. Just impossibly good music.

And wonderful liner notes by Duke Pearson!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Idle Moments is, for me, one of the five best albums ever released on Blue Note. Just impossibly good music.

And wonderful liner notes by Duke Pearson!

But not strictly accurate, as the dating of the CD shows.

MG

[robertoart]

que?

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Funny, the sleeve notes of the CD don't say that there were two versions of 'Django'. I gave away my LP of 'Idle moments', when I got the CD and only just noticed that MC's addendum to the CD note says that the original notes referred to it.

But also, DP's note says that the issued take of the title track was the last one done at the session. The BN discography lists the 4 November session as

tk 11 Jean de fleur

tk 14 Idle moments

tk 28 Nomad

tk 32 Django

MG

[robertoart]

As far as I can remember, they over shot Idle Moments and Duke Pearson said they knew that would be going on the album - so they had to re-do another tune in shorter time. I can't remember whether it was Jean De Fleur or Django?

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

But Duke also said it was the last tune of the session.

'Django' didn't need to be changed because of 'Idle moments' but because it and 'Nomad' came to 25:31 - a length that RVG consistently advised that, in 1963 technology, was too long.

Dinner's ready. Bye.

MG

[robertoart]

They still made a perfect album.

[Milestones]

Just out of curiosity, would it be accurate to say that Blue Note produced higher quality sound than what was found on, say, Prestige and Riverside and even Columbia? The Blue Notes always seemed to have shorter running times. As Magnificent Goldberg suggested, apparently you could only allow the running time to go so long before losing quality.

[mjzee]

One odd thing about Blue Note is they never listed song timings, neither on the jacket nor on the record labels.

[Milestones]

Is that right? It's been so long since I've dug out an old Blue Note on vinyl that I don't recall that....well, now I vaguely do.

[robertoart]

Just out of curiosity, would it be accurate to say that Blue Note produced higher quality sound than what was found on, say, Prestige and Riverside and even Columbia? The Blue Notes always seemed to have shorter running times. As Magnificent Goldberg suggested, apparently you could only allow the running time to go so long before losing quality.

Not sure about that.

One difference was that Blue Note payed the designated musical aggregations two days? rehearsal time. So the musicians were able to be more analytic and prepared perhaps.

Most Blue Note and Prestige sessions were recorded at Vangelders, although Vangelder says he had different recording set ups for BN and Prestige. He has said the differences were the result of paying attention to what each producer wanted to hear. Perhaps Vangelder himself preferred the Blue Note sound he achieved over the Prestige ones.

I think the song lengths are fairly consistent across both labels. Although BN might have favoured the 2/3 split and Prestige the 2/2 split.

Perhaps if it was more determined by personal and what material each musician bought to the session for consideration?

[Jim R]

One odd thing about Blue Note is they never listed song timings, neither on the jacket nor on the record labels.

It was uncommon, but "never" is inaccurate. I was just browsing the Vintage Vanguard site, and within a few minutes I found a half dozen with track timings.

[David Ayers]

Quite a lot of labels didn't print track times for part or all of their existence. Many Prestige titles lack track times.

[robertoart]

Looks like the times got printed more post 65ish.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Just out of curiosity, would it be accurate to say that Blue Note produced higher quality sound than what was found on, say, Prestige and Riverside and even Columbia? The Blue Notes always seemed to have shorter running times. As Magnificent Goldberg suggested, apparently you could only allow the running time to go so long before losing quality.

Not sure about that.

One difference was that Blue Note payed the designated musical aggregations two days? rehearsal time. So the musicians were able to be more analytic and prepared perhaps.

Most Blue Note and Prestige sessions were recorded at Vangelders, although Vangelder says he had different recording set ups for BN and Prestige. He has said the differences were the result of paying attention to what each producer wanted to hear. Perhaps Vangelder himself preferred the Blue Note sound he achieved over the Prestige ones.

I think the song lengths are fairly consistent across both labels. Although BN might have favoured the 2/3 split and Prestige the 2/2 split.

Perhaps if it was more determined by personal and what material each musician bought to the session for consideration?

As between Prestige and Blue Note running times for LPs, generally Prestige seems to have had shorter albums. I've read somewhere (maybe here, or maybe in an MC sleeve note) that RVG advised Lion to aim for 18-22 mins per side. I think that's what was generally achieved. The only albums I can think of offhand that were quite a way below normal time were 'Hootin' 'n tootin'', side 1 of which was 16:32 (but side 2 just over 21 min). Side 2 of 'Drives' is 16:57, as well. But Prestige sides were often under 16 mins, some under 14 - 'Lonely avenue' 13:40, 'Hot barbecue' 12:32.

MG

[Milestones]

I don't know about that contention (BN longer than Prestige). Example: Rollins' album Rollins Plays for Bird runs over 43" and Saxophone Colossus is about 40". His Blue Note record Newk's Time barely passes 33."