Guy Berger Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 But Coltrane's solo on Naima alone makes the record an absolute classic in my book. :tup He makes Sanders look like a schoolboy in short trousers, he's so much better, truly worlds apart! VV Again is one of those Trane albums I took a longtime first to buy (I've had the LP borrowed from a highschool teacher once and gave it some spins, made me a K7 copy of it, but didn't return to it often) and then took a while to appreciate. I enjoy Garrison in general, less so Sanders, but the whole album is still very, very good in my book - and Trane is great on it! I think I have a more positive opinion of Sanders's solo on "Naima" than either of you, but no disagreement, and frankly, I wish that on most of the 1966-67 recordings Coltrane had been more "selfish" with solo space with regards to Pharoah. Quote
king ubu Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Posted February 2, 2013 I don't have a low opinion of Sanders there ... it's just that Trane is so darn amazing. His range, his control, the emotions - Sanders screams like sh*t and gets nowhere near as close to the emotion that Trane is able to convey. It's not fair game, of course, I guess nearly all of the young avantgarde players back then would have sounded pretty much alike next to Trane. Btw, that should have read "a bit less" in the post above on the Mosaic box - and was related to the 100$ price for their various 4LP boxes. But I see they're having a 3LP set on offer and are charging nearly the same amout (90$) for that. Quote
jazzbo Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 Meanwhile I am just learning about all the unreleased Impulse! Coltrane from the 2005 article mentioned on the Hoffman board - go here and scroll down http://www.personal....du/bdk4/aop.htm Did you guys know about this? I believe we discussed this extensively back when the existence of this stuff was first announced. Quote
mikeweil Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 So that should be a double disc ... Coltrane developping his music in the studio is interesting for me to get me a copy. But I still long for a CD of the complete February 2, 1966 session (part of which was on the Cosmic Music album). Quote
David Ayers Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 Meanwhile I am just learning about all the unreleased Impulse! Coltrane from the 2005 article mentioned on the Hoffman board - go here and scroll down http://www.personal....du/bdk4/aop.htm Did you guys know about this? I believe we discussed this extensively back when the existence of this stuff was first announced. That means I knew and just forgot .... Quote
jazzbo Posted February 3, 2013 Report Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) re. Sunship, the original LP was murky to say the least, the single CD reissue and the box set version are as so often over-bright and harsh. If I hear this has the kind of sound I like I'll go for it but maybe three versions in a lifetime was enough....nah, but four might be enough... When you say "single CD reissue and the box set version" you are not referring to the latest releases (from the Hip-O Select Volume Five box set and subsequent single CD release) are you? I have the box set and the sound is NOT over-bright and harsh. Listening to it right now, very nice mastering and the recording itself is interesting in that it's not an Englewood Cliffs recording by RVG and has a subtly different presentation. Edited February 3, 2013 by jazzbo Quote
David Ayers Posted February 3, 2013 Report Posted February 3, 2013 re. Sunship, the original LP was murky to say the least, the single CD reissue and the box set version are as so often over-bright and harsh. If I hear this has the kind of sound I like I'll go for it but maybe three versions in a lifetime was enough....nah, but four might be enough... When you say "single CD reissue and the box set version" you are not referring to the latest releases (from the Hip-O Select Volume Five box set and subsequent single CD release) are you? I have the box set and the sound is NOT over-bright and harsh. Listening to it right now, very nice mastering and the recording itself is interesting in that it's not an Englewood Cliffs recording by RVG and has a subtly different presentation. Oh! No! Do I need that one too? Quote
jazzbo Posted February 3, 2013 Report Posted February 3, 2013 I can't answer that for you, but I find the newly mastered versions in these "Impulse Album Collection" box sets to be very nice sounding, an improvement over the early 16 and 20 bit versions. Quote
erwbol Posted February 5, 2013 Report Posted February 5, 2013 I can't answer that for you, but I find the newly mastered versions in these "Impulse Album Collection" box sets to be very nice sounding, an improvement over the early 16 and 20 bit versions. I see what you mean with regards to the early 16 and 20 bit versions. Still, I found some of the titles from box 2, e.g. Crescent, a tad too loud when listened to on headphones. Are Hip-O Select boxes 4 and 5 also mastered by Kevin Reeves? Quote
jazzbo Posted February 5, 2013 Report Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Yes. I compared two of these to the most recent Japanese cd counterparts, also mastered by Reeves, and they seem identical to me. I don't do headphones, so there's been no problem for me. (Did a lot of recording and monitoring of bands I was in in the 'eighties via headphones and totally grew to dislike them). Edited February 5, 2013 by jazzbo Quote
Kyo Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 But I still long for a CD of the complete February 2, 1966 session (part of which was on the Cosmic Music album). Yeah, me too. A pity they still didn't get to that. The April 1966 sessions would also be interesting to hear. Quote
7/4 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Posted March 6, 2013 new date: April 16, 2013 according to CD Universe. I'd like to see some cover art work! Quote
erwbol Posted March 22, 2013 Report Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Yes. I compared two of these to the most recent Japanese cd counterparts, also mastered by Reeves, and they seem identical to me. I don't do headphones, so there's been no problem for me. (Did a lot of recording and monitoring of bands I was in in the 'eighties via headphones and totally grew to dislike them). Today I compared the Impulse! Originals and SHM-CD of Live At Birdland and Meditations by making secure rips of track 1 with XLD and looking at the log files. The Japanese and Originals Birdland have the same CRC32 hash number and AccurateRip signatures and so must be identical. I suspected as much by listening. The Japanese and Originals Meditations are not identical, and do not sound the same to me either. The Japanese and Hip-O Select Sun Ship also seem to have differing log files (seem because the Hip-O rip is not my own), and sound different. Perhaps a bit off topic. Edit: Also identical are Live at the Village Vanguard and Crescent. Also different Transition (Hip-O not my rip). Edited March 22, 2013 by erwbol Quote
John L Posted March 23, 2013 Report Posted March 23, 2013 I'd like to see some cover art work! There doesn't seem to be much new in that regard. Quote
7/4 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Posted March 23, 2013 I'd like to see some cover art work! There doesn't seem to be much new in that regard. Thanks. I can see they went all out with that extra line of text. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 23, 2013 Report Posted March 23, 2013 My two favorite Coltrane album are Sun Ship and First Meditations. So I'm looking forward to this release in a big way. It'll be a nice addition to my 90+ discs of Coltrane material. BTW, someone mentioned earlier how different Sun Ship sounded from other Coltrane albums. I'd say that goes for his entire '65 output. The Quartet had reached its apotheosis that year, and they were playing what I still consider to be the greatest music I've ever heard. Quote
Carl Baugher Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 I got the CDs last week and I love this release for a number of reasons, not the least of which, is the previously unavailable Jimmy Garrison solos. Great stuff. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 BTW, someone mentioned earlier how different Sun Ship sounded from other Coltrane albums. This would be because this session (and this session alone) wasn't recorded at Van Gelders but at RCA in Manhattan. Quote
paul secor Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 BTW, someone mentioned earlier how different Sun Ship sounded from other Coltrane albums. This would be because this session (and this session alone) wasn't recorded at Van Gelders but at RCA in Manhattan. This goes for east coast studio sessions. He did record for Impulse in studios on the west coast. Nitpicking, I know. Quote
paul secor Posted April 9, 2013 Report Posted April 9, 2013 Well, the quartet was present on those west coast sessions. But, as you imply, the additions made it a whole nuther thing. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 I'm tempted by the Mosaic. Quote
Stefan Wood Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 So am I, after discovering this is mysteriously missing from my collection. Must have lent it to someone....... Quote
Guy Berger Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 Not the quartet. Another nit. What about the bonus track on "First Meditations"? Quote
erwbol Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) Not the quartet. Another nit. What about the bonus track on "First Meditations"? Recorded at Coast Recorders, San Francisco on September 22, 1965. Edited April 14, 2013 by erwbol Quote
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