EyeSpeech Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Looks like his powerhouse band has a new album due next month, Without a Net. Anyone who doesn't preorder this is an a-hole. Without a Net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thanks for my new name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Chuck beat me to it. Call me a you know what, but I never liked this band (What I mean is with some other musicians, it could be much more), and I've heard them a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSpeech Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I saw them live at Yoshi's a couple years ago. Many people in the audience didn't get it. You and Chuck are not unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I saw them live at Yoshi's a couple years ago. Many people in the audience didn't get it. You and Chuck are not unique. Perhaps "not getting it" and "not liking it" aren't the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlitweiler Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 wanna hear it first. preorders no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 ...I never liked this band (What I mean is with some other musicians, it could be much more),.. I know you've heard a lot of music by a lot of different people and wouldn't say anything like this casually, so I ask this strictly out of genuine curiosity - what other musicians would you have in mind, and what more/else could this music be at this point in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Well Jim, I know I'm in the minority here about this, but I would like to not only hear the direction that this band spends most of their time in, but also I'd like to hear a little ( or a lot ) of fire. For me, I especially would like to hear more variety in tempo and rhythm. I think a drummer like Johnathan Blake would be a better drummer, who can play with a lot of color and can lay it down. Clarence Penn would be great for the same reasons. Terreon Gully would be tremendous. I've never been a fan of Perez. He's a fine musician but he is not a complete pianist for me and I get bored of pianistic tricks after a while, and he can go on an and on with that. Geoffrey Keezer would be the ultimate pianist for Wayne's ( or anyone's ) group. He can take the music anywhere while keeping it interesting ( and deep) and he also can put a little needed ass ( in a rhythmic sense). David Budway would be more than interesting also. No problems with Patitucci, for me. I have to admit that all of the musicians I've suggested are friends of mine but they also fit the bill as complete musicians for the band. Frankly, there is a lot of time that passes where it seems that that the band is going in in different directions and not playing as a unit or at least coming together and serving the music, if you know what I mean. When I'm listening to this band I find myself cherry picking points of interest in the fog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSpeech Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 You are not acknowledging this band's approach. It's not about tempo or rhythm in any traditional sense. It's about drilling into the harmonic essence of each composition. If you can't appreciate it, that's fine, but second-guessing one of the greatest composers and band-leaders in jazz history--one who could pick whoever he desired to be in his band--is not just silly. It's pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 ... but second-guessing one of the greatest composers and band-leaders in jazz history--one who could pick whoever he desired to be in his band--is not just silly. It's pointless. Oh please. Even Homer nodded, as the old saying goes. Anyway, different strokes and all, but I have been completely underwhelmed the 2 or 3 times I've seen Shorter as a leader (not necessarily as sideman). I have no interest in where he is going/where he is now. And for sure I will be passing on this CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I've thought this band was fantastic each time I've seen it. I don't seem to listen much to the CDs though, but I think they require more attention than I have given them. I probably won't run out to buy it thoughl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Looking forward to this one. I don't think that "drilling into the harmonic essence" is something that eludes fans if they are not musically trained, and that sometimes adds to the not getting it. I'm not a musician but my ear has become accustomed to unusual harmonies or harmonic abstractions, because I think after so much time, the ear gets used to "conventional". I always felt Brian Blade brings a strong fire to the group with his explosions within the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I've never gotten or really liked Wayne Shorter. I might grab this one as I understand it's a live cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Nice to see quality control at Blue Note's design centre hasn't dipped for the cover art... Hope (and expect) the music'll be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I get the band and I love the band. I've seen the quartet maybe 4 times over the past 10 years, and this September in Detroit was the most amazing. The title describes the group perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) It's a strange cover. The design reminds me of some of the King issued Blue Note covers like "The Soothsayer" but the naked people falling is really out there. Wayne and the quartet sort of free themselves of any "attachment" in the music and sort of flows, in the spirit of joy and creation, so the freeing of attachment is kind of what makes this band's music difficult for some, IMO. Edited January 3, 2013 by CJ Shearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's a strange cover. The design reminds me of some of the King issued Blue Note covers like "The Soothsayer" The colour of it reminds me of the King LP of Andrew Hill 'Dance With Death'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSpeech Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) When I saw the quartet at Yoshi's, it really took me by surprise. Like Marcello, I expected a more overt rhythmic and melodic ground to sink into, but it simply wasn't there. Took me all of the first tune and some of the second (about 1/4 of the way into the set) before I started to understand what the band was doing, and wrap my brain around it. Once I made the adjustment as a listener it was almost like learning a new language. By the end of the set I was immersed in it as something new in jazz--and how rare is that anymore. Edited January 3, 2013 by EyeSpeech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bol Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 That can't be the real cover, can it? Holy cow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSpeech Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I suppose it could theoretically still change before the Feb 5 release date, but yes, that's the real cover art that's been posted on BlueNote.com and several other sites. I've got to say, some of the comments here about the cover and the melodic/rhythmic thrust of the group seem woefully superficial, given that the group has basically elevated the language of jazz to something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Storer Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tom M, I sense from your alternate personnel suggestions that you're itching for some swing. I don't think Shorter is much interested in swinging with this group, though. If any one member (besides Shorter) is indispensable, IMHO, it's Blade. With all respect for Blake, Penn and Gulleon, masters all, I just don't know if they are interested in the kind of free abstraction that defines this group. What makes this group special for me is the way it combines an extremely abstract viewpoint with a kind of gleeful physicality. It's sui generis. Because it's essentially stream-of-consciousness music, there are moments when inspiration lags. But that happens with almost any group. I have to be in the mood for this group, but when I am I find it a particularly bracing experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) What I find most strange about the cover is that it appears to be a nude woman & young girl falling from the sky. Considering what happened to Wayne's wife & neice... well, could it be that this is what Wayne was doing here or does he actually not see the connection? Edited January 8, 2013 by Kevin Bresnahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 What I find most strange about the cover is that it appears to be a nude woman & young girl falling from the sky. Condiering what happened to Wayne's wife & neice... well, could it be that is what Wayne was doing here or does he actually not see the connection? Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! That's absolutely right. Really strange when you think about it, but not really, as I'm sure Wayne still feels the loss of it every day, but he's managed to free himself of the attachment of that suffering, and has moved on in his daily life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSpeech Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I don't find it strange at all that one of the defining experiences of Shorter's life would end up on the cover of one of his records. Getting back to the music, this description of the quartet resonates with me: This is uncompromising stuff that requires a lot of work from the listener. At times it's like eavesdropping on an esoteric joke shared by four geniuses, conducted in a dialect you don't quite understand. But watching and, more to the point, hearing outstanding musicians who know how to listen, respond and improvise meaningfully with each other is always an exhilarating experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'm looking forward to this album, I really like this group, enjoyed the three Verve albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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