Leeway Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 I want to say that there are only 300 or 500 of that original Atlanta concert pressing. Is that right? Discogs and Okka Disk say 999. I have #299. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 My copy was a first pressing and is #917. Bruno and I swap releases and sometimes sell each other's discs. Quote
jlhoots Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 What is this "first pressing" business? I know it's a different world but if you bought a bronze that was one of an edition of 50 & then they "reissued" it, you'd be (correctly) pissed. Quote
colinmce Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Posted July 25, 2014 Re: Long Story Short and the much-lauded Brotzmann/Ghania/Laswell/Drake improvisation ... I went into this one wary of Bill Laswell's presence, and maybe that colored my reaction to it, but (esp. compared to the Wels concert with the trio on Okka listed above) he pretty much ruined it for me. It sounded less like an improvisation and more like a jam. Not good. His sound is cheesy and I felt like he marshaled the other players into a pretty fixed structure that created easy vamps and crescendos. Clearly I'm in the minority on this one, but that's what I heard. For me one of the great highlights was the Brotzmann/Satoh/Moriyama track. I really need to pick up their album on Not Two for more of that. I also dug the Tentet + John Tchicai, DKV +3, & Bro/Adasiewicz/Toyozumi, among others. I went through the set in a week on my commute and it blew my brains out so I'm not sure when I'll be in the mood to revisit it again. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 What is this "first pressing" business? I know it's a different world but if you bought a bronze that was one of an edition of 50 & then they "reissued" it, you'd be (correctly) pissed. Un-numbered second editions are certainly not uncommon in the world of record collecting or book collecting, prints, etc. The numbered edition should be able to retain its value against the later, un-numbered edition. I personally don't care if some handmade, edition of 25 noise LP that I own gets reissued down the line. Bigger things to worry about. Quote
jlhoots Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 I guess you're correct in the essentially low $$ world of CDs, LPs. Bronzes & numbered lithographs are different stories. The lithographic stones, for example, are supposed to be destroyed when the numbered edition is completed. The advent of open ended (& even numbered) giclees has created IMHO a whole new & somewhat "shady" market in the 2 - dimensional art world. Quote
alankin Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) I guess you're correct in the essentially low $$ world of CDs, LPs. Bronzes & numbered lithographs are different stories. The lithographic stones, for example, are supposed to be destroyed when the numbered edition is completed. The advent of open ended (& even numbered) giclees has created IMHO a whole new & somewhat "shady" market in the 2 - dimensional art world. I'm imagining a limited edition that's numbers notated as #1295/300. Edited July 25, 2014 by alankin Quote
Leeway Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 The nature of this music is that most stuff is necessarily limited. For example, a lot of NoBusiness LPs are limited (as stated) to 300 copies, and even at that most have not sold out yet. Most CDs are pressed in less than 1,000 amounts. Limitations in the thousands are mostly meaningless. However, there is a principle here that should not be discarded. When something is sold as a limited item, especially when the explicit or implicit assurance is given that once that limited supply is exhausted, the item will be O/P, then I think it is, to say the least, a very dubious business practice to later sell the same product in the same or slightly different form, and often for less. We rely on the representation made by the label; when that representation turns out not to be true, it is natural to feel cheated. It is no different than any other "come on." Quote
xybert Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Couple of new releases on Aum Fidelity: I'm quite keen for the Farmers By Nature, but i'm going to go back and listen to the first two albums first to see if i need/want more. Always liked Gerald Cleaver but he's grown on me a lot in the last couple of years. Wouldn't mind the Shipp/Jones but like so many tempting new releases it comes under "if i had money to burn" for me. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 I havn't warmed up to Farmers by Nature and I didn't like them live despite liking or at times even loving all three of the musicians. I havn't returned to the one CD I have of the two they released in a couple of years. Quote
mjazzg Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 WTFDYW? Trost....prost! The Ballad Album.....? Quote
Paradiddle Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 WTFDYW? Trost....prost! The Ballad Album.....? Ballads and blues. The perfect title when someone asks: What are you listening to? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 28, 2014 Report Posted July 28, 2014 Every Trost LP I've had has been pretty poor in the pressing quality department. How does this one sound? Quote
colinmce Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Posted July 29, 2014 Good a place to ask as any: my Trost copy of THE LIVING MUSIC has Schoof and Schlippenbach identified as the other on the back. Is this switch native to the original LP? Quote
colinmce Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Posted August 1, 2014 More Okka re-ups: Fred Anderson - Birdhouse and Destiny. The latter is one I've especially wanted to hear (w/ Marilyn Crispell & Hamid). Glad to see the balance of this catalogue in print once again. If it can be done, it should be done. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) just a reminder, i can supply okkas at a decent price. just talked to ken vandermark about an hour ago. Edited August 1, 2014 by Chuck Nessa Quote
CraigP Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 just a reminder, i can supply okkas at a decent price. just talked to ken vandermark about an hour ago. Chuck has 'em in his Good Times van, along with some bitchin' stereo speakers! Quote
niels Posted August 3, 2014 Report Posted August 3, 2014 Couple of new releases on Aum Fidelity: I'm quite keen for the Farmers By Nature, but i'm going to go back and listen to the first two albums first to see if i need/want more. Always liked Gerald Cleaver but he's grown on me a lot in the last couple of years. Wouldn't mind the Shipp/Jones but like so many tempting new releases it comes under "if i had money to burn" for me. The Farmers by Nature will be a shure shot for me. Really loved their previous album! Quote
xybert Posted August 3, 2014 Report Posted August 3, 2014 Couple of new releases on Aum Fidelity: I'm quite keen for the Farmers By Nature, but i'm going to go back and listen to the first two albums first to see if i need/want more. Always liked Gerald Cleaver but he's grown on me a lot in the last couple of years. Wouldn't mind the Shipp/Jones but like so many tempting new releases it comes under "if i had money to burn" for me. The Farmers by Nature will be a shure shot for me. Really loved their previous album! I'm on the fence at the moment. Touching on what Steve said i think they are an oddly hard group to warm to. I dug them at the time but pretty much never revisit the two previous albums on Aum... have been trying to revisit them recently and just find them strangely hard to get through. There's definitely something there, but it's definitely 'have to be in the right mood' type stuff for me. Wishlisted for now, i need for something to come out on Aum that i can't live without and then i might add Love and Ghosts to my order. Quote
Head Man Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 I don't know whether this has already been posted here but Destination Out have quite a few of the FMP reissues available as downloads... http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/ Looking at the album covers I realise that I must have bought quite a few of them back in the day. They aren't really my cup of tea but I honestly can't remember what happened to them....oh dear! Quote
niels Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 Couple of new releases on Aum Fidelity: I'm quite keen for the Farmers By Nature, but i'm going to go back and listen to the first two albums first to see if i need/want more. Always liked Gerald Cleaver but he's grown on me a lot in the last couple of years. Wouldn't mind the Shipp/Jones but like so many tempting new releases it comes under "if i had money to burn" for me. The Farmers by Nature will be a shure shot for me. Really loved their previous album! I'm on the fence at the moment. Touching on what Steve said i think they are an oddly hard group to warm to. I dug them at the time but pretty much never revisit the two previous albums on Aum... have been trying to revisit them recently and just find them strangely hard to get through. There's definitely something there, but it's definitely 'have to be in the right mood' type stuff for me. Wishlisted for now, i need for something to come out on Aum that i can't live without and then i might add Love and Ghosts to my order. Funny how those things can differ so immensly. There's still tons of free/avantgarde stuff that (for now at least) I find hard to digest, but Farmers by Nature imediately hit me in the right spot when I first heard them. For some reason their interplay and use of rhythm conects with me on a very basic and instinctive level. Quote
mjazzg Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 I don't know whether this has already been posted here but Destination Out have quite a few of the FMP reissues available as downloads... http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/ Looking at the album covers I realise that I must have bought quite a few of them back in the day. They aren't really my cup of tea but I honestly can't remember what happened to them....oh dear!When you find them, let me know and I'll house them for you Quote
Head Man Posted August 9, 2014 Report Posted August 9, 2014 I don't know whether this has already been posted here but Destination Out have quite a few of the FMP reissues available as downloads... http://destination-out.bandcamp.com/ Looking at the album covers I realise that I must have bought quite a few of them back in the day. They aren't really my cup of tea but I honestly can't remember what happened to them....oh dear! When you find them, let me know and I'll house them for you I remember I used to have these two: ... and listening to the sound samples they don't sound too bad. I probably sold them to Mole Jazz in London......... Quote
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