Head Man Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) I recently came across this excellent album by Dave Burns on Vanguard Records (Warming Up!) which apparently has never been reissued on CD....why? Does anyone know what other jazz albums were released by Vanguard? I seem to remember owning one by Elvin Jones, way back when. Edited November 9, 2012 by Head Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Bunky Green- this one is very good indeed Larry Coryell -this one's ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You want to talk about which Vanguards exactly? About those that the label became famous for among fans, i.e. those done in the 50s, including releases by Mel Powell, Vic Dickenson, Ruby Braff, Sir Charles Thompson, Urbie Green, and others? In short, "middle jazz". Those shown in the initial posts above seem to point into another direction and era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 And there was a third direction: soul jazz, exemplified by recordings by the Players Association, who had a couple of albums on the R&B charts, and the Pazant Brothers. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) I've managed to locate this discography of Vanguard jazz & blues releases Vanguard Discography and I had no idea they'd released so many jazz albums. Why are so few of them available on CD, I wonder? I do have the "Ted Brown - Free Wheeling" but there are quite a few others on the list I would be interested in getting. Edited November 9, 2012 by Head Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why are so few of them available on CD, I wonder? The answer is at the bottom of the page - "Label established by Maynard and Seymour Solomon in New York, 1950. Bought by the Welk Music Group in 1986." That remained the case in 2005, when Ace reissued the Pazant Brothers' LP in the UK. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You want to talk about which Vanguards exactly? About those that the label became famous for among fans, i.e. those done in the 50s, including releases by Mel Powell, Vic Dickenson, Ruby Braff, Sir Charles Thompson, Urbie Green, and others? In short, "middle jazz". Never heard it called "middle jazz". I always knew it as "mainstream". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) You want to talk about which Vanguards exactly? About those that the label became famous for among fans, i.e. those done in the 50s, including releases by Mel Powell, Vic Dickenson, Ruby Braff, Sir Charles Thompson, Urbie Green, and others? In short, "middle jazz". Never heard it called "middle jazz". I always knew it as "mainstream". Same thing. Synonymous. I just wanted to use a term that specifically coincided with the period when this music was recorded. Was in use in the UK too IIRC. Check out period copies of "Jazz Monthly" featuring Albert McCarthy's writings. Edited November 9, 2012 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 The Larry Coryell records on Vanguard are great. Some classic playing and some other kinda funny 'timepieces'. Roland Prince is a very interesting and highly skillful guitarist with Calypso influences. I have/had his Vanguard Lp's and his sessions with Elvin Jones. I believe he relocated back to the Caribbean. This is one of my favourite guitar recordings ever - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Don't miss Dave Burns' debut on Vanguard, entitled Dave Burns: And this one, featuring Dave Burns and Seldon Powell on tenor: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fent99 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Bunky Green- this one is very good indeed Larry Coryell -this one's ok Would love to hear the Bunky Green. Have a couple of tracks from somewhere and Love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Never heard it called "middle jazz". I always knew it as "mainstream". "Middle jazz" is particularly popular with this crowd: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd love to hear those Dave Burns albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) There was a short-lived reissue series in the 90s but I seem to recall that most if not all were incomplete samplers across two or three LPs. Very good mainstream music. Edited November 9, 2012 by Dan Gould Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon8 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd love to hear those Dave Burns albums. They're both on musicme (streaming), the Bill English record as well. http://www.musicme.com/#/Dave-Burns/?q=dave+burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Those early Vanguards in mono (maroon label, silver print, 1955-63) and stereo (black label, silver print, 1958-63) have always been hard to find in any condition. Not because they're 'holy grails' but primarily due to channels of distribution beyond NYC. Speaking for the Southeast, it's a rare thrill to find an LP by The Weavers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd love to hear those Dave Burns albums. They're both on musicme (streaming), the Bill English record as well. http://www.musicme.com/#/Dave-Burns/?q=dave+burns They are also on Rdio. Added to the list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Many of these are also available on eMusic for download: Dave Burns - Warming Up Dave Burns - Dave Burns Bill English Mel Powell Ellis Larkins/Ruby Braff Jimmy Rushing Mel Powell Bunky Green - Places We've Never Been Ray Bryant etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Many of these are also available on eMusic for download: Dave Burns - Warming Up Dave Burns - Dave Burns Bill English Mel Powell Ellis Larkins/Ruby Braff Jimmy Rushing Mel Powell Bunky Green - Places We've Never Been Ray Bryant etc. BUT................not available for downloading in the UK, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why are so few of them available on CD, I wonder? The answer is at the bottom of the page - "Label established by Maynard and Seymour Solomon in New York, 1950. Bought by the Welk Music Group in 1986." That remained the case in 2005, when Ace reissued the Pazant Brothers' LP in the UK. MG The Welk Music Group did reissue many of the Vanguard blues albums on CD, and were extremely good to order from. They communicated quickly and shipped quickly when I ordered Skip James CDs from them. While Lawrence Welk and Skip James had nothing in common, it did not seem to matter when I ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Sadao Watanabe - Round Trip (recorded for Sony (Japan), leased by Vanguard) Q; What is the sound of a man being ripped apart and eaten alive on his own record date? A: Charles Lloyd on that In The Soviet Union record? Q: Well yeah, you might think that, but only until you've heard this one. A: Really? Q: Yeah, really. A: How's that? Q: Well, Lloyd and his band were only somewhat separated in terms of vision and ability, and besides, on that one, he sounded like he was just played out and the band wasn't, or if they were, not as much. A: And on this one? Q: On this one, it sounds like poor Sadao wanted to make a "free" record w/the hot-right-now NYC players (or somebody wanted him too), and they showed up to make THEIR music, not his A: So it's kind of like those Eric Kloss sides? Q: No, not even close. On those, the rhythm section was consciously respectful of doing their thing in the context of the leader's date. On this one, they really do not give a damn. Not for even half a second. A; So they rip him up, eat him alive, and it's basically a Corea/Vitous/DeJohnette shredfest with Sadao Watanabe as nominal leader? Q: Is that not essentially how we began this conversation? A: Yea, I suppose it is. Q: So how the hell do you think it ended up on Vangaurd? A: I do not know: Q: And I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Those early Vanguards in mono (maroon label, silver print, 1955-63) and stereo (black label, silver print, 1958-63) have always been hard to find in any condition. Not because they're 'holy grails' but primarily due to channels of distribution beyond NYC. The only place I've ever seen the 'Dave Burns' on sale was in a record store in NYC. About $20 - but sadly it was beat up. Both of the Burns have been out on reissue vinyl though during the 2000s. Edited November 9, 2012 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall15 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Fresh Sound has reissued the Ted Brown Vanguard LP (VRS-8515) titled "Free Wheeling" on CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six string Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Oregon was on the label too but I suppose that is worse than "middle jazz" here. I have one with Elvin Jones playing with them that is more robust than their usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 BUT................not available for downloading in the UK, unfortunately. Fear not, for you can also download them from amazon and itunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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