BeBop Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) What does humanity gain by being the fastest, fattest, leanest, tallest, etc., and why would anyone cheat to gain an advantage? Seems just to be ego. Worldwide more folks know of Lance than Jonas Salk or a thousand others. The answer to "why cheat" in cycling is largely that it's the second-largest spectator sport in the world. (Or at least it was.) If one seeks money or fame, winning is the ticket. But that's not the answer to the "humanity's gain" part. That I don't know. Edited October 23, 2012 by BeBop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 . (I've never appreciated the spectator angle on any sport, but that's just me.) Glad you said that. Sport is great - I do as much as I can - but spectating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 . (I've never appreciated the spectator angle on any sport, but that's just me.) Glad you said that. Sport is great - I do as much as I can - but spectating? Yeah, being a musician is great - I do as much as I can - but just being a listener/spectator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 . (I've never appreciated the spectator angle on any sport, but that's just me.) Glad you said that. Sport is great - I do as much as I can - but spectating? Yeah, being a musician is great - I do as much as I can - but just being a listener/spectator? Whisper it quietly...A 'listener' or, as Anthony Braxton now puts it, a 'friendly experiencer'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 "Tweet of the Week" from this week's Sports Illustrated: "For Halloween, Lance Armsrong should dress up as a 7-time Tour de France winner." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Cheap shot. I though SI was above that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Cheap shot. I though SI was above that sort of thing. SI didn't write that. It's a Tweet that somebody posted, and SI put it in their magazine as their Tweet of the Week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Maudlin but interesting article from VeloNews ...We wanted to believe in unconscionable achievement, and the story was overwhelming. When it comes to heroes, human beings are inherently fallible, often as flawed as those held up to the sky and called great. Armstrong turned out to be a hologram hero, as most of them are. We don’t know the names of the real greats from those years, who felt the screws of human pain and un-medicated ability. We didn’t care about them, because they finished 65th or somewhere else in the basement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Cheap shot. I though SI was above that sort of thing. SI didn't write that. It's a Tweet that somebody posted, and SI put it in their magazine as their Tweet of the Week. SI was ONCE very classy, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Sheesh, who the hell still cares anyway? I'm with Chuck, I throw in Ludwik Fleck and Erwin Chargaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Sheesh, who the hell still cares anyway? If it wasn't for this board, I would assume no one did. I've never met anyone who had any interest in professional cycling, except here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Sheesh, who the hell still cares anyway? If it wasn't for this board, I would assume no one did. I've never met anyone who had any interest in professional cycling, except here. True dat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Sheesh, who the hell still cares anyway? If it wasn't for this board, I would assume no one did. I've never met anyone who had any interest in professional cycling, except here. True dat! Because you're both Americans. No slight intended, but bicycle racing was the second biggest spectator sport in the world (after football/soccer) when I was racing. It's undoubtedly taken a big "hit" since. Europeans, sure. But I had fierce competitors from Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela, Russia, CIS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Cheap shot. I though SI was above that sort of thing. SI didn't write that. It's a Tweet that somebody posted, and SI put it in their magazine as their Tweet of the Week. They still published it. Not a whole lot of difference, IMHO. Sheesh, who the hell still cares anyway? If it wasn't for this board, I would assume no one did. I've never met anyone who had any interest in professional cycling, except here. Well, this whole thing has certainly sucked out any interest I once had for the sport. Not really sure what has been accomplished here beyond settling old scores. Edited October 28, 2012 by GoodSpeak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Because you're both Americans. No slight intended... None taken; I knew that was the reason. We prefer our sports odd and complicated. Now that cricket thing has some possibilities; I can't figure it out for shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Because you're both Americans. No slight intended... None taken; I knew that was the reason. We prefer our sports odd and complicated. Now that cricket thing has some possibilities; I can't figure it out for shit. I'm with you on cricket. Popular sport. Followed enthusiastically by one of my friends (incidentally met through the Blue Note bulletin board, I think it was). And I don't get it. I don't know a damn thing about baseball, but I'm thinking - in any context - you got a bat and a ball, so you ought to be trying to hit it was hard and far as you can. If God didn't want us to do that, why'd " He" give us steroids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Because you're both Americans. No slight intended... None taken; I knew that was the reason. We prefer our sports odd and complicated. Now that cricket thing has some possibilities; I can't figure it out for shit. I don't really get the scoring, but a sport where a guy can score 100 runs in one at-bat is intriguing. The ball they use is hollow, which I found out by chance while walking by a cricket game and picking up an errant ball to toss back to the players. Cricket is pretty big in Brooklyn because we have a large number of folks from the Caribbean who all played it in their home countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 It certainly takes the cake for "most civilized" what with the breaks for tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 It certainly takes the cake for "most civilized" what with the breaks for tea. True. And I can't imagine, say, John Kruk playing cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lance Armstrong may admit he used banned drugs: NY Times Yes, the world's biggest media wh*re (he even trumps Trump) is still out there. Perhaps he can confess, be "redeemed" and find another way into the spotlight. Allez, Lance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lance's reputation has been shot down..; now he is just trying to save his money! A good assessment of his predicament: http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-01-05/lance-armstrong-caught-in-web-he-created-cyclist-deserves-no-sympathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lance's reputation has been shot down..; now he is just trying to save his money! A good assessment of his predicament: http://aol.sportingn...ves-no-sympathy Right on the money, Brownie. The only people I really feel for in all this are the cyclists--and there were some--who raced honestly and didn't get the glory that should have been theirs. gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lance Armstrong may admit he used banned drugs: NY Times Will the Pope admit he's a catholic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 And what exactly was that bear doing out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 This thread should get interesting again real soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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