Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Many don't know the name of the piece, but this snippet from "Entry March of the Gladiators," the old circus band number that Gerry Mulligan used to end a lot of performances in the days of his sextet especially, was known to cause psychosis: http://www.amazon.com/Entry-March-of-the-Gladiators/dp/B007L16Q9A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 The original recordings of "Lonely Woman" and "Ramblin'" are great, but I can't think of any non-Ornette ones that are much good. The Joe Daley Trio "Ramblin'" is like a root canal, aside from Russell Thorne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm not as down on the bossa nova as some here, especially when the songs are performed by Brazilians (especially the songwriters themselves), but "Chega de Saudade" ("No More Blues") and "The Theme from 'Black Orpheus'" can be hard to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 The original recordings of "Lonely Woman" and "Ramblin'" are great, but I can't think of any non-Ornette ones that are much good. The Joe Daley Trio "Ramblin'" is like a root canal, aside from Russell Thorne. I really dig the Helen Merrill/Dick Katz version of Lonely Woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 There's "Alfie" and there's "Alfie's Theme". The Bacharach tune I could do without. Sonny's version rocks, though. Also don't care for: Somewhere Over the Rainbow Willow Weep for Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) The original recordings of "Lonely Woman" and "Ramblin'" are great, but I can't think of any non-Ornette ones that are much good. The Joe Daley Trio "Ramblin'" is like a root canal, aside from Russell Thorne. I really dig the Helen Merrill/Dick Katz version of Lonely Woman. i'm lucky enough to own the katz merrill. there is a stunning early to mid 1960s version of lonely woman with a denny zeitlin-charlie haden-(i forget the drummer)- trio(my shining hour), if you can find it. the whole recording is a study in understated intelligent eloquence. a fresher less tired trio version of quiet now is on the same recording. 8 wilkerson's 8 bold souls recorded a stunning version of lonely woman with wilkerson offering a blistering alto solo. Edited April 3, 2012 by alocispepraluger102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Willow Weep for Me Maybe, but then there's Art Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I love most of the standards, what I hate are all the perfunctory 'compositions' on standard or near-standard changes. I understand the reasons for this, but it's a practice that really dilutes a lot of 50s/60s studio records for me - the tunes are just so boring. Digression over - speak on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Killer Joe The Girl from Ipanema and YES Take Five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Another song that kind of grates on me is The Way You Look Tonight. Wow. That's my favourite song. Goes to show, etc. There's a difference between standards that are overplayed and those that one simply doesn't like. I've always liked My Funny Valentine, but it's performed far too much, or at least it once was. There are four standards I've never seen the point of as I find the tunes colourless and depressing: Willow Weep for Me Old Folks Darn That Dream and the absolute worst stinker of all time: Summertime I suppose all these have interesting chords or something, otherwise I can't imagine why musicians keep playing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) The original recordings of "Lonely Woman" and "Ramblin'" are great, but I can't think of any non-Ornette ones that are much good. The Joe Daley Trio "Ramblin'" is like a root canal, aside from Russell Thorne. I really dig the Helen Merrill/Dick Katz version of Lonely Woman. i'm lucky enough to own the katz merrill. there is a stunning early to mid 1960s version of lonely woman with a denny zeitlin-charlie haden-(i forget the drummer)- trio(my shining hour), if you can find it. the whole recording is a study in understated intelligent eloquence. a fresher less tired trio version of quiet now is on the same recording. 8 wilkerson's 8 bold souls recorded a stunning version of lonely woman with wilkerson offering a blistering alto solo. The album you're referring to is "Denny Zeitlin - Live at The Trident" and yes, his version of Lonely Woman is lovely; as is the whole album, actually. BTW the drummer is Jerry Granelli. The 1960's were a real purple patch for Denny as can be heard from his playing on the Mosaic Select set and this album reinforces this opinion. Unfortunately the album itself appears to be OOP at present, which is a shame. However I seem to recall reading somewhere (here?) that he was putting together another box set of his live 1960s recordings so presumably this would be included in that. Edited April 3, 2012 by Head Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Willow Weep for Me Maybe, but then there's Art Tatum. I struggle with Willow Weep for Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 The original recordings of "Lonely Woman" and "Ramblin'" are great, but I can't think of any non-Ornette ones that are much good. The Joe Daley Trio "Ramblin'" is like a root canal, aside from Russell Thorne. I really dig the Helen Merrill/Dick Katz version of Lonely Woman. Much to "arty" IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr jazz Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 My funny Valentine-sung, played-please not again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Don't hear it much these days, except on earlier records but, back in the 60's, "Sunny" drove me nuts (not in a good way) when I heard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm glad aloc started this thread. Without getting too analytical about it, I'd say that seven of my ten favorite songs have been named. (No accounting for taste...and I'm not satying whether I mean "my taste" or that of "the person who doesn't like X" ) If nothing else, I'm going to have to rethink some future set lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Kind of interesting indeed what does turn up and what doesn't - hundreds of versions of "Star Eyes" always with the same introduction, thousands of "What Is This Thing..." and "I'll Remember April... none of these are bad songs, "What Is This Thing" is in fact a great one, but since this thread mostly amounts to "what standards have grown fatally tired of", they might make my list if I'd bother to do one. As for "Invitation", the version on Jaco Pastorius' "Birthday Concert" is rather fine, too, methinks. I'm not too fond of that tune, but some fine versions have been named and I certainly won't complain havint to hear them again. I used to stronly dislike "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", but that changed... not just because of but also thanks to Judy Garland (yea, can you believe it?) "My Funny Valentine"... oh well yes, I rather dislike it, but I still enjoy listening to Miles' and Chet's recordings every now and then. And who ever names Willard Robison in this thread will have to duel himself with me (and don't even dare bringing up Hoagy... he's not to blame for all that happened to/with his songs, is he?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (and don't even dare bringing up Hoagy... he's not to blame for all that happened to/with his songs, is he?) I especially like the Hoagy's Children sets with Bob Dorough, Barbara Lea & Dick Sudhalter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 ... none of these are bad songs, "What Is This Thing" is in fact a great one I've always wanted to post this somewhere on the board, and now seems like a good time. I hope I'm not infringing on any copyright here. In my cassette copy of "The Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Quartet" (A&M, originally on Artists House), the following was included in the liner notes. I've always found it interesting and useful: Compositions using the chord progression from "What Is This Thing Called Love" by Cole Porter. 1. "Barry's Bop" (also called "Fat's Flats") by Fats Navarro 2. "Becoming" by Lennie Trlstano 3. "Bunny" by Teddy Charles 4. "Cette Chose" by Robert Jaspar 5. "Coolhouse" by Warne Marsh 6. "Dell's Bells" by Charles Laguna 7. "Fifth House" by John Coltrane 8. "Hot House" by Tadd Dameron 9. "Llke ... What Is This" by Bernard McKlnney 10. "Madhouse" by Jackie McLean 11. "One Hundred Proof" by J J Johnson 12. "Samba De Bamba" by Les McCann 13. "Serenade To A Pair Of Nylons" by Charlie Shavers 14. "Sputnik" by Lou Donaldson 15. "Subconscious-Lee" by Lee Konitz 16. "Supersonic" by Lennie Tristano 17. "These Things Called Changes" by Bill Evans 18. "This Is Called Love" by Charlie Haden and Hampton Hawes 19. "This Is The Thing" by Hal Galper 20. "This Thing" by Ronnie Hoopes 21. "Trilogy Pogo" by Charles Mingus 22. "Wham Bam Thank You, Ma'am" by Charles Mingus 23. "What Is It?" by Pepper Adams 24. "What Is This Thing?"' by Thad Jones and Mel Lewis 25. "You Tell Me" by John Coltrane From: "The New Expanded Bibiography of Jazz Compositions Based On The Chord Progressions of Standard Tunes" © 1974 Reese Markewich, M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankin Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I would be happy to never have to hear a new version of "Lullaby of Birdland." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I used to stronly dislike "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", but that changed... not just because of but also thanks to Judy Garland (yea, can you believe it?) I can believe it. Judy Garland is often maligned as campy and fake, but she usually strikes me as very real and sincere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Tunes Most Disliked at Piano Bars: 'Over the Rainbow' and 'A Child is Born'. Their circular melodies are so cloying -- I'd confess to any crime if you promise to stop playing them NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I would be happy to never have to hear a new version of "Lullaby of Birdland." I agree, but I've heard at least two interestingly varied remakes by Shearing himself (a Latin interpretation on his live from San Francisco Capitol album, another on Telarc) -- he of course being quite aware of the need to shake up the recipe. That particular Capitol edition of the quintet was tasty BTW -- Dick Garcia, Warren Chaisson, Al McKibbon, and Vernel Fournier. Particularly nice to hear Fournier in a context other than Jamal, and Garcia could really play. There's a very nice version of Silver's "The Outlaw" on the SF album. Did anyone else ever cover that excellent composition? Oops. This is the correct personnel for Shearing's "San Francisco Scene" (Capitol ST-1715): Shearing (p), Warren Chiasson (vbs), Dick Garcia (g), Wyatt Ruther (b), Lawrence Marable (d), Armando Peraza -1 (congas). Recorded Live at the Masonic Temple, San Francisco, April 28, 1960 The Be-Bop Irishman I'll Be Around - Jumpin' With Symphony Sid - Cocktails For Two -1 - Lullaby Of Birdland -1 - The Outlaw - When April Comes Again - Monophraseology - This Nearly Was Mine (solo p) - My New Mambo -1 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 A Child is Born It's like jazz's Send in the Clowns or even its Feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 A Child is Born It's like jazz's Send in the Clowns or even its Feelings Gotta agree with this one (or these three, as the case may be) Some songs just require extraordinarily careful handling: It Don't Mean a Thing, Stardust, Take the A Train... No doubt they've been done to death. But under the hands of a deft and creative musical surgeon, sometimes something worthwhile can be extracted. Damn seldom. Uncategorizable: "C Jam Blues". Almost elegant (in its simplicity) when new, but now so battle-worn... Just get me past the head, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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