jeffcrom Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 Right now I'm listening to Road Band!, a very enjoyable Capitol album by Woody Herman. The sleeve gives the personnel and recording dates, but doesn't identify the soloists. Some soloists are obvious to me; others are not. Would someone who has the Herman Mosaic Capitol big box check and see if the soloists are identified in the booklet and post them here? If it helps, the tunes are: October 13, 1954: I'll Never Be the Same Gina June 6 & 7, 1955: Opus de Funk Captain Ahab Cool Cat on a Hot Tin Roof Pimlico I Remember Duke Sentimental Journey Where or When Thanks! Quote
jeffcrom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Posted February 20, 2012 Bump. Anyone willing to help? Quote
J.A.W. Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) According to the Mosaic booklet: Chicago, October 13, 1954 Dick Collins, John Howell, Al Porcino, Charlie Walp, Bill Castagnino - trumpet Cy Touff - bass trumpet Dick Kenney, Keith Moon - trombone Woody Herman - clarinet, alto saxophone, vocal Richie Kamuca, Dick Hafer, Bill Perkins - tenor saxophone Jack Nimitz - baritone saxophone Nat Pierce - piano Red Kelly - bass Chuck Flores - drums Leah Matthews - vocal "I'll Never Be the Same" "Gina" "Kiss the Baby" (Herman, Matthews vocals) "Long Long Night" New York, June 6, 1955 Dick Collins, Bernie Glow, Jerry Kail, Gerry LaFurn, Reuben McFall, Charlie Walp - trumpet Cy Touff - bass trumpet Dick Kenney, Keith Moon - trombone Woody Herman - clarinet, alto saxophone, vocal Richie Kamuca, Dick Hafer, Art Pirie - tenor saxophone Jack Nimitz - baritone saxophone Nat Pierce - piano Billy Bauer - guitar John Beal - bass Chuck Flores - drums "Opus de Funk" "Cool Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" "Pimlico" Nick Travis replaces Bernie Glow on trumpet on: "Captain Ahab" "I Remember Duke" "Skinned" "Love Is a Many Splendoured Thing" New York, June 7, 1955 Dick Collins, Jerry Kail, Gerry LaFurn, Reuben McFall, Charlie Walp - trumpet Cy Touff - bass trumpet Dick Kenney, Keith Moon - trombone Woody Herman - clarinet, alto saxophone, vocal Richie Kamuca, Dick Hafer, Art Pirie - tenor saxophone Jack Nimitz - baritone saxophone Nat Pierce - piano Billy Bauer - guitar John Beal - bass Chuck Flores - drums "You're Here My Love" (1) "The Girl Upstairs" (1) "House of Bamboo" (1) "Buttercup" "Sentimental Journey" "Skinned Again" "Where Or When" (1) added: Teddy Sommer - bells; unknown - harp; vocal chorus Edited February 20, 2012 by J.A.W. Quote
BillF Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 I have six of the tracks on a Brtish Capitol/EMI LP called The Great Big Bands, Volume 2. Well-informed British critic Alun Morgan made the following soloist identifications: "Opus" Kamuca, Touff, Herman, Collins "Where" Herman, Kenney, Kamuca "Ahab" Moon, Kenney, Kamuca, Walp, Travis "Sentimental" Collins, Moon, Touff, Herman, Beal "Duke" Herman, Touff, Kamuca, Nimitz "Cat" Collins, Woody, Nimitz, Touff Quote
jeffcrom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Posted February 20, 2012 Thank you, gentlemen. J.A.W. (or anyone else), does the Mosaic booklet identify the soloists on: I'll Never Be the Same Gina Pimlico? Thanks! Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 I have "Pimlico" on an old Pickwick LP that's half Harry James, half Woody Herman (and ALL man!!!!). Just had a listen, and it sounds like you got Cy Touff starting things out, then a duet between Touff & Keith Moon (on trombone, not drums), then Moon finishes up. Quote
jeffcrom Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Posted February 20, 2012 I have "Pimlico" on an old Pickwick LP that's half Harry James, half Woody Herman (and ALL man!!!!). Just had a listen, and it sounds like you got Cy Touff starting things out, then a duet between Touff & Keith Moon (on trombone, not drums), then Moon finishes up. Thanks, Jim! I have no problem ID-ing Touff, but don't have any experience with trombonists Moon and Dick Kenney. I also had that Pickwick LP - it was one of the first jazz albums I had, when I had fewer than 15 or so. I'm not sure what happened to it, but "Pimlico" and "Sentimental Journey" from Road Band brought back memories of it. Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 After reading this http://www.allmusic.com/artist/dick-kenney-p178368/biography it might be Dick Kenney, of whom I had never heard before... Considering that it's him on the other cuts, it's probably him here. I was guessing Moon based on a few odd cuts I've heard of him with Kenton, but if it sounds like the guys on the otehr cuts, then my guess is that it's Kenney. The one that for all these years I've kept that Pickwick LP is Pomp Stomp, specifically the Bill Perkins solo therein. Sweeeeeeeettttt.... Quote
king ubu Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 I have six of the tracks on a Brtish Capitol/EMI LP called The Great Big Bands, Volume 2. Well-informed British critic Alun Morgan made the following soloist identifications: "Opus" Kamuca, Touff, Herman, Collins "Where" Herman, Kenney, Kamuca "Ahab" Moon, Kenney, Kamuca, Walp, Travis "Sentimental" Collins, Moon, Touff, Herman, Beal "Duke" Herman, Touff, Kamuca, Nimitz "Cat" Collins, Woody, Nimitz, Touff Rather less than more to be taken from Doug Ramsey's notes to the Mosaic box: OPUS DE FUNK: "Kamuca, Touff, a muted trumpet who may be Walp, and Woody are the soloists." I REMEMBER DUKE: only Woody and Nimitz are mentioned PIMLICO and COOL CAT: only Woody's fine clarinet is mentioned CAPTAIN AHAB: "Touff and Kenney (most likely), Kamuca and Hafer, Walp and Travis (I think) play tag. Woody pipes up, Nimitz and a trumpet player have a bit of Dixieland fun, and Flores boots the band to a big finish." BUTTERCUP (Mosaic-only): "Herman, Nimitz, Kamuca and Pierce do it justice." SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY: "...with Herman and Bauer harmonizing the melody and Collin's full-bodied statement of the bridge. (...) Touff (...) Pierce (...) Herman SKINNED: just Flores is mentioned WHERE OR WHEN: no one mentioned Quote
jeffcrom Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Posted February 21, 2012 Thanks to everyone for your help. Quote
BillF Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 I have six of the tracks on a Brtish Capitol/EMI LP called The Great Big Bands, Volume 2. Well-informed British critic Alun Morgan made the following soloist identifications: "Opus" Kamuca, Touff, Herman, Collins "Where" Herman, Kenney, Kamuca "Ahab" Moon, Kenney, Kamuca, Walp, Travis "Sentimental" Collins, Moon, Touff, Herman, Beal "Duke" Herman, Touff, Kamuca, Nimitz "Cat" Collins, Woody, Nimitz, Touff Rather less than more to be taken from Doug Ramsey's notes to the Mosaic box: OPUS DE FUNK: "Kamuca, Touff, a muted trumpet who may be Walp, and Woody are the soloists." I REMEMBER DUKE: only Woody and Nimitz are mentioned PIMLICO and COOL CAT: only Woody's fine clarinet is mentioned CAPTAIN AHAB: "Touff and Kenney (most likely), Kamuca and Hafer, Walp and Travis (I think) play tag. Woody pipes up, Nimitz and a trumpet player have a bit of Dixieland fun, and Flores boots the band to a big finish." BUTTERCUP (Mosaic-only): "Herman, Nimitz, Kamuca and Pierce do it justice." SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY: "...with Herman and Bauer harmonizing the melody and Collin's full-bodied statement of the bridge. (...) Touff (...) Pierce (...) Herman SKINNED: just Flores is mentioned WHERE OR WHEN: no one mentioned My post was just a summary of Morgan's quite detailed account. Anyone wishing to read a scan of his liner note will have to provide an email address, as I can't see how to attach it to a PM. Quote
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Nice record; I bought it at the time but sadly don't have it any more. IIRC, Nat Pierce's chart (I think it's his) on "Opus De Funk" is quite nice -- wholly in the spirit of the original, which is not that common when hard bop small-group pieces are adapted for big bands like Herman's. For instance, I recall that in the '60s Herd "Sister Sadie" became a semi-frantic flagwaver, which arguably was fun but not the point that Horace had in mind IMO. Quote
Free For All Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Nice record; I bought it at the time but sadly don't have it any more. IIRC, Nat Pierce's chart (I think it's his) on "Opus De Funk" is quite nice -- wholly in the spirit of the original, which is not that common when hard bop small-group pieces are adapted for big bands like Herman's. For instance, I recall that in the '60s Herd "Sister Sadie" became a semi-frantic flagwaver, which arguably was fun but not the point that Horace had in mind IMO. That chart on Opus De Funk was still in the book when I joined the band in '84 and we played it often. Great chart! Regarding SS, I personally don't think it's a sin to not copy the exact vibe of the original- IMO variety of interpretation is a good thing. I think it displays the resiliency of the tune that it can be heard in a variety of ways (tempos, grooves). The groups of Duke, Mingus and Miles certainly did that sort of thing. Quote
BillF Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Nice record; I bought it at the time but sadly don't have it any more. IIRC, Nat Pierce's chart (I think it's his) on "Opus De Funk" is quite nice -- wholly in the spirit of the original, which is not that common when hard bop small-group pieces are adapted for big bands like Herman's. For instance, I recall that in the '60s Herd "Sister Sadie" became a semi-frantic flagwaver, which arguably was fun but not the point that Horace had in mind IMO. That chart on Opus De Funk was still in the book when I joined the band in '84 and we played it often. Great chart! You probably played it when I saw you in the Tiberi-led Herman orchestra in 1999 at Wigan, UK. The program was full of good ol' good uns! Quote
Free For All Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Nice record; I bought it at the time but sadly don't have it any more. IIRC, Nat Pierce's chart (I think it's his) on "Opus De Funk" is quite nice -- wholly in the spirit of the original, which is not that common when hard bop small-group pieces are adapted for big bands like Herman's. For instance, I recall that in the '60s Herd "Sister Sadie" became a semi-frantic flagwaver, which arguably was fun but not the point that Horace had in mind IMO. That chart on Opus De Funk was still in the book when I joined the band in '84 and we played it often. Great chart! You probably played it when I saw you in the Tiberi-led Herman orchestra in 1999 at Wigan, UK. The program was full of good ol' good uns! That Wigan gig was so much fun, I was there several times over the years. Great fans of the band, great hangs at the pub down the street from our hotel. I wish it was possible to gets pulled pints like that over here! Quote
JSngry Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Say, Paul, what do you know about this Dick Kenney guy? That's a new one on me, but the AMG shows that he is/was a player of some accomplishment. Quote
Free For All Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Other than his presence on the Woody stuff I really know nothing else about him. Never have come across his name beyond that. I expect there are some Woody historians around here who might know more. Quote
BillF Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) http://www.allmusic.com/artist/dick-kenney-p178368/biography http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dick+Kenney Edited February 21, 2012 by BillF Quote
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