Same Song

[Noj]

I'm listening to my iPod on shuffle and Charlie Parker's "Now's The Time" comes on, but I notice this is essentially the same instrumental as Roy Milton "The Hucklebuck." Are there many examples of this in the jazz world?

[medjuck]

Night Train and Happy Go Lucky Local.

And aren't Sonnymoon for Two and Bag's Groove at least similar.

[Rooster_Ties]

I brought this up before (here), but...

"Lord Sideways" (Albert Dailey), from Ramon Morris' mid-70's Groove Merchant album "Sweet Sister Funk" (with Dailey on piano on the date)

and

"Love Dance" (Joe Bonner), on Woody Shaw's 1975 Muse album "Love Dance" (with Joe Bonner on piano on the date)

Which one is the correct writing credit? - since both can't be right. They are the exact same song, same vamp, same head, the whole enchilada.

[Spontooneous]

But for the lyrics, "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Werewolves of London."

[BillF]

  On 1/21/2012 at 7:25 PM, Noj said:

I'm listening to my iPod on shuffle and Charlie Parker's "Now's The Time" comes on, but I notice this is essentially the same instrumental as Roy Milton "The Hucklebuck." Are there many examples of this in the jazz world?

There are so many! I've noticed musicians recording a composition under different names at different sessions. I think Johnny Griffin's "Purple Shades" is an example, but I'm too lazy to seek out the other version(s). Then there are tunes/riffs which seem to be common property - Hawkins's "Stuffy" and Monk's "Hackensack" are examples IIRC. Stitt's "The Eternal Triangle" has quite a lineage, too.

Edited January 21, 2012 by BillF

[danasgoodstuff]

Night Train = Happy Go Lucky Local + That's the Blues Old Man. Hucklebuck and Now's the Time are NOT exactly the same, and what they share go back before either Got My Mojo Working and Hi Heeld Sneakers are same melody set to a different groove, eddly Blue Mitchel's HHS sounds more like GMMW to me. And that's funny 'bout Werewolves of Alabama, someone should do them as a medly!

[Noj]

Ha! In my spotty memory I somehow forgot that both tracks I mentioned were on RDK's very clever BFT#11 Bonus Disc (which I love to this day). The one from Roy Milton I still have on my iPod, but "Now's The Time" I swapped out because I bought the Complete Savoy Charlie Parker and replaced the CD-R quality track with the CD-quality file.

Anyway, I was hoping this thread would result in a nice list of the individual songs that have multiple names. Thanks all for your contributions.

Edited January 22, 2012 by Noj

[Jim R]

  On 1/22/2012 at 4:26 AM, Noj said:

I was hoping this thread would result in a nice list of the individual songs that have multiple names.

I wouldn't put it that way. Some of the songs mentioned have melodic similarities, but they're not "songs with multiple names". "Got My Mojo Workin'" and "High Heeled Sneakers" have melodic similarities, but if you take the original melodies and compare them side by side, they're not the same. Blue Mitchell creating a hip new variation the HHS melody is another thing altogether. The number of variations is endless of course, unless somebody is trying to play a melody as written (in the case of an instrumental version, purposefully retaining the melodic inflections of the original vocal line, for example).

I'm being picky perhaps, but as a musician, I'm slightly uncomfortable with the premise that some of these songs are melodically "the same". That's a bit simplistic, imo.

[GA Russell]

  On 1/21/2012 at 9:54 PM, BillF said:

Then there are tunes/riffs which seem to be common property - Hawkins's "Stuffy" and Monk's "Hackensack" are examples IIRC.

I'm not familiar with the title Stuffy. Is that common? I know it as Rifftide.

[Spontooneous]

  On 1/22/2012 at 6:36 AM, GA Russell said:

  On 1/21/2012 at 9:54 PM, BillF said:

Then there are tunes/riffs which seem to be common property - Hawkins's "Stuffy" and Monk's "Hackensack" are examples IIRC.

I'm not familiar with the title Stuffy. Is that common? I know it as Rifftide.

We're mixing things up here.

Hawkins "Stuffy" = Monk "Stuffy Turkey"

Hawkins "Rifftide" = Monk "Hackensack"

[GA Russell]

Thanks Spontooneous! I don't know Stuffy Turkey either!

[Bright Moments]

All by myself - Eric Carmen

and

Sergei Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Opus 18

[danasgoodstuff]

  On 1/22/2012 at 5:08 AM, Jim R said:

  On 1/22/2012 at 4:26 AM, Noj said:

I was hoping this thread would result in a nice list of the individual songs that have multiple names.

I wouldn't put it that way. Some of the songs mentioned have melodic similarities, but they're not "songs with multiple names". "Got My Mojo Workin'" and "High Heeled Sneakers" have melodic similarities, but if you take the original melodies and compare them side by side, they're not the same. Blue Mitchell creating a hip new variation the HHS melody is another thing altogether. The number of variations is endless of course, unless somebody is trying to play a melody as written (in the case of an instrumental version, purposefully retaining the melodic inflections of the original vocal line, for example).

I'm being picky perhaps, but as a musician, I'm slightly uncomfortable with the premise that some of these songs are melodically "the same". That's a bit simplistic, imo.

Thanks for the thought full response, I'd add that sometime the melody line isn't what's defining of 'the song', it could be the groove or the riff or any number of things...

[A Lark Ascending]

'Avalon' (once a popular jazz standard) and an aria from Tosca.

Details of the payout from the court case:

Avalon

Edited January 23, 2012 by A Lark Ascending

[GA Russell]

I guess the most famous example is Stranger in Paradise.

[mikeweil]

The tune "Opus Caprice" Al haig recorded for Prestige was recorded earlier by Mary Lou Williams under a different title - can't recall it right now ...

[Jim R]

  On 1/23/2012 at 9:05 PM, GA Russell said:

I guess the most famous example is Stranger in Paradise.

“I’m sure you recognize this lovely melody as ‘Stranger in Paradise.’ But did you know that the original theme was from the Polovtsian Dance No. 2 by Borodin?”

Edited January 23, 2012 by Jim R

[medjuck]

  On 1/23/2012 at 9:05 PM, GA Russell said:

I guess the most famous example is Stranger in Paradise.

I think they gave credit to Boridin.

[Spontooneous]

Horace Tapscott, "For Fats" = Arthur Blythe, "Miss Nancy"