Rooster_Ties Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) OK, we all know Miles was searching around for various suitable sidemen after Trane left in '59, until he assembled the complete 2nd Quintet in 1964. So who ELSE (besides the people he actually recorded with) would have been interesting to have heard play with Miles especially during this 1959-64 timeframe? And who (else) would have stood a chance in hell of fitting with Miles (or at least half-way) during his 'Seven Steps to Berlin' period? And how about with Miles after '64? I'll answer both questions with Grant Green (because, in some sense, there are two Grant Greens. 1) The more straight-ahead Grant Green of '62, '63, '64 would have been interesting to hear with Miles (though I'm not sure the Miles of '64 (with Sam and then Wayne) would have quite worked with the Grant Green of '64). And 2) the more funky Grant Green of '69, '70 and '71 might have been interesting somewhere in there with the Miles of '67/'68 (thinking primarily of Miles very first recordings with guitar in 1967 and '68, shortly after "Nefertiti"). Would it have been a great fit? - probably 'hell no' - but perhaps it could have been interesting. Anybody else? Answers certainly don't have to fit into both/all "Miles" time-frames. Edited January 21, 2012 by Rooster_Ties Quote
paul secor Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Somewhere in the '59-64 period: Eric Dolphy. His playing would probably have pissed Miles off and driven Miles crazy. But I'd have liked to have heard it. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Posted January 21, 2012 How about the Ornette of '73-'79 (Dancing in Your Head, Body Meta, Tales of Captain Black, Of Human Feelings -- take your pick)... ...with the Miles of '71-'75 (not sure which year would be the best fit though). I'm thinking more of Ornette jamming with Miles and one of Miles' 70's bands (which I could actually sorta see), though it's mind-boggling to try to imagine Miles trying to play with Ornette and Prime Time. Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 In the mid sixties: Maybe Jackie McLean, Andrew Hill, Roy Haynes? And about Miles after his comeback 1981: Well I like that band with Mike Stern, and I´m not necessarly a patriot who would push people just because they from my country, but .... the austrian guitarist Karl Ratzer.....he got it all, I often wondered how the Miles from the early 80´s would have liked him. Dave Liebman, well he was with Miles in 1973/74, but I would have liked to see him back with Miles after his comeback, at least for a period.... Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Be interesting to hear the Miles of c. 1969 in a duo with the Eberhard Weber of c. 1973. With or without a shimmering electric piano coloured band. Quote
brownie Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 How about J.R. Monterose? Don't know how they would have gotten along but the musical interaction might have proved positive for both! Quote
AndrewHill Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Maybe Joe McPhee in the early seventies bands. They weren't too far apart musically, imo at the time. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Either Tubby Hayes or Ronnie Scott in the 59-64 period would have been interesting. Especially if it had been with an extended Victor Feldman stay. Would have made a nice contrast with the 'Hank' band. Edited January 21, 2012 by sidewinder Quote
.:.impossible Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 I would have liked to have heard him spar with another trumpet player. Quote
Pete C Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 I'd love to have heard more Sonny Sharrock with Miles in the 70s. I think Pharoah Sanders might have worked well in Miles' sound of the early-mid '70s. I like the idea of Jackie McLean being added to the 2nd quintet and making it the 2nd sextet. Quote
colinmce Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 As far as people he didn't ever record with, it's hard for me to say. I think a session with Getz and Haig early 50s would be beautiful. I also think he would have done very nicely with Coleman Hawkins. A shame, too, that George Russell never arranged a group for him. As far as people I wish he recorded with a lot more: Lee Konitz, Lucky Thompson, Al Cohn, Kenny Clarke, Horace Silver, and of course Bill Evans. And lord would it have been great to hear him accompany Billie in a small group, but the timelines just don't jibe; she was too far gone by the time Miles came into his ownOf course, my post mostly revolves around his Prestige period. Sorry. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Just an odd thought, but Benny Golson? Quote
Dan Gould Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Only if Miles is subbing for Lee Morgan on those great Messengers albums - just for a completely opposite approach. Quote
JSngry Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Bill Barron in place of George Coleman? Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 As far as people he didn't ever record with, it's hard for me to say. I think a session with Getz Miles did a session with Stan Getz in 1950: Miles, J.J. Johnson, Stan Getz, Tadd Dameron, Gene Ramey and Art Blakey : Conception, Max is Makin Wax, Woody´n You, Ray´s Idea, and Old Black Magic (with Stan Getz featured) Quote
JSngry Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Just an odd thought, but Benny Golson? I had the same thought, but decided that Golson's innate "fussiness" (not so much in what he played but how he presented it, the effect of what you have after it's over) would not have worked with Miles. Too "sunny:. Same thing with Johnny Griffin's ebullience. Those are the two guys who could be mentioned in the same breath as mid-late 50s Trane in terms of pushing the instrument in that timeframe. However, if history could be ignored and played with, I'd like to have heard a never-expatriated Don Byas (and all the possible implications thereof) with Miles, instead of Sonny Stitt...but it would have to be with Red Garland, not Wynton Kelly. Quote
colinmce Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Right, perhaps I should have put that under "people I wish he recorded with more". I'd love to hear him in a quintet setting. As far as people he didn't ever record with, it's hard for me to say. I think a session with Getz Miles did a session with Stan Getz in 1950: Miles, J.J. Johnson, Stan Getz, Tadd Dameron, Gene Ramey and Art Blakey : Conception, Max is Makin Wax, Woody´n You, Ray´s Idea, and Old Black Magic (with Stan Getz featured) Quote
BeBop Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Oddball/fantasy answer: Winston Monwabisi 'Mankunku' Ngozi, circa 1967 Yakhal' Inkomo. I think it would have inspired the group in a new direction. I'm not fond of the term or notion "world music", but Mankunku did do a nice job blending Trane, Shepp, (maybe) Tubby Hayes and others with some South African influences. He would have been a bit young to actually work with Miles during the "interim" period, but Miles certainly had some young 'uns in his bands. Quote
7/4 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Somewhere in the '59-64 period: Eric Dolphy. His playing would probably have pissed Miles off and driven Miles crazy. But I'd have liked to have heard it. That would have been twisted! Yes, it probably have pissed Miles off. But ha! Quote
Peter Friedman Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 The 2 already mentioned that I would have loved to hear with the pre-1964 Miles group are J.R. Monterose and Johnny Griffin. A couple of other interesting choices are Teddy Edwards and James Clay. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Ian Carr! Especially around 1970. Edited January 21, 2012 by A Lark Ascending Quote
JSngry Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 A couple of other interesting choices are Teddy Edwards and James Clay. Clay allegedly got the call sometimes in the mid-50s, but wasn't home to get it. That's the local lore, anyway. Quote
Rosco Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Just an odd thought, but Benny Golson? I had the same thought, but decided that Golson's innate "fussiness" (not so much in what he played but how he presented it, the effect of what you have after it's over) would not have worked with Miles. Too "sunny:. That 'sunny' quality is also- to my ears- present in George Coleman's playing and I liked him fine on those live albums. Not as profound as Shorter, maybe, but it has its own appeal. I've often toyed with the idea of Golson and it would certainly have been interesting to hear Miles playing Golson's themes (beyond Stalemates, of course). In that period around late '67- 68 when Miles was looking at- and generally being dissatisfied by- guitar players I often wonder why Larry Coryell never entered the frame. A player with jazz chops and Hendrixian inclinations he would have been an interesting fit. The two did collaborate on a session during Miles' retirement (Miles played keyboards) which resulted in some intriguing but inconsequential noodling. Pity. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 All things being equal, John Gilmore. Quote
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