Pete C Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 my thought in taking legal action is so guys like this will think twice and maybe i can spare someone else the ordeal. That's a tall order, though. Guys like that won't think twice. You can't overturn thousands of years of tradition. I understand that you'd like vindication, closure and revenge, and I'd feel the same way, but realistically I'd say you'd do yourself a favor by moving on. As you say, there are worse cases out there that aren't getting satisfactory resolution, so what do you really have to gain? But if you pursue it you're setting yourself up for plenty of agita and tsuris. Quote
J.A.W. Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 my thought in taking legal action is so guys like this will think twice and maybe i can spare someone else the ordeal. That's a tall order, though. Guys like that won't think twice. You can't overturn thousands of years of tradition. I understand that you'd like vindication, closure and revenge, and I'd feel the same way, but realistically I'd say you'd do yourself a favor by moving on. As you say, there are worse cases out there that aren't getting satisfactory resolution, so what do you really have to gain? But if you pursue it you're setting yourself up for plenty of agita and tsuris. Good advice. Time to move on. Quote
Pete C Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed. Enough tsuris. Yeah, when life deals you tsuris, make tzimmes. Quote
AllenLowe Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) I disagree. People need to be held accountable. There's probably ways you can file an internal complaint against this guy. You can cause him major inconvenience. Make him think twice next time. Don't listen to these guys. They're too rational. Edited January 13, 2012 by AllenLowe Quote
AllenLowe Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 on the other hand, what the hell do I know? Quote
JSngry Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Make him think twice next time. Yeah, the first time he thinks, he's just a dickhead. The second time he thinks, he's a dickhead with a score to settle. Some people you don't want thinking twice...once is more than enough. Don't carry a gun unless you know you'll use it if you have to, so to speak. Quote
AllenLowe Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 well, by that rationale we should let anyone do anything, I just think this guy needs to be called to order. Quote
JSngry Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) well, by that rationale we should let anyone do anything No, by this rationale, we should have plans that stand a chance of succeeding instead of just expending energy that will ultimately just reinforce the status quo. Deterrence only deters (or has a chance at deterring) if known consequences exist in the forefront of the collective consciousness. In other words, you want to fuck with a bad cop, fine. A bad cop is up there with a child molester as far as violating the most basic tenets of trust in our value system. But - how you gonna do it in a way that works? Edited January 14, 2012 by JSngry Quote
fasstrack Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 I disagree. People need to be held accountable. There's probably ways you can file an internal complaint against this guy. You can cause him major inconvenience. Make him think twice next time. Don't listen to these guys. They're too rational. If I would have been more like them and kept my salty mouth shut and went along with the guy (made him feel in control, which is what he wanted) it never would have happened. Not to excuse him, but there are certain bulls you don't wave red flags at. There used to be this really cool therapist guy named Albert Ellis. He wrote a series of very useful books on getting along with neurotic/crazy people. You pretend, he opined, to agree and go along with them and do what you have to in the process. I think that very wise and it's easy to make the leap of faith into this situation. I did one public session with the guy and he was really an amazing character. I think I'll get his books now and pay attention. The 'Ragin' Cajun' (I forget his name now---CRS---)also spoke of 'kissing ass' to get what you want. My brother is always amazed at how I always get traffic tickets and he always gets out of it by kissing the cops' asses. I get worked up, and that can get you killed, or at least more tickets. Also, having been through extreme poverty for some time I have learned that at times you need services provided by that safety net and you are glad it's there for you until you get on your feet. The guardians at the doors, however, are not always good people or members of MENSA. But they have power and can hurt you. I was a lot stupider than I needed to be, though what the guy did was way wronger, and really scary. And Allen, not having met you, I wonder, frankly, if you maybe have a mouth like I do---not my most endearing attribute ,as I'm saying here. Maybe I'm wrong, like I said we haven't yet met. But I've come to that realization for myself at least. My buddy James Chirillo always said 'it's always a good time to keep your mouth shut'. Quote
Leeway Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Quote: In other words, you want to fuck with a bad cop, fine. A bad cop is up there with a child molester as far as violating the most basic tenets of trust in our value system. Let's keep some perspective here. Yeah, a cop that deals drugs, runs prostitutes, takes bribes, brutally beats suspects--yes, that's a bad cop. But a cop that SMIRKS ? Or is a little-heavy handed with an irate visitor may not win any etiquette or "nicest cop of the year" awards, but I'm not about to equate him with a child molester for goodness sake. This cop deals every day with a lot of people, some in their turn, not very nice, and a few who are conceivably or actually dangerous (some folks in the Big Apple are actully known to carry weapons about their bodies). His way of dealing with it is to be a hard ass. Maybe another approach would be better, but let's not rank him as a depraved criminal. Quote
JSngry Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry, but a violation of the public trust is still a violation of trust. Of whom much is given, much is asked, etc. I don't think you can give anybody anything more valuable than your trust. Now, if you want to say that it's naive to ever trust a cop, hey, that's another thing altogether, but really, isn't that just as much a symptom of being numbed by abuse as it is anything else? I'll put a good cop on as high a pedestal as can be had, but a bad cop is evil, and a schmuck cop is much closer to a bad cop than to a good one. Quote
fasstrack Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 My feelings now are inbetween Allen's and Leeway's. Like the little angel on one side of a guy's head and the little devil on the other--in those old movies. With perspective I'm getting closer to Lee's view, though. It is disconcerting the low general quality of those charged with protecting the indigent. That's not theory, but based on actual everyday incidents and I don't care to go into more detail. It cuts the other way, too: there are a lot of bad people in a bad way, working the system to get over while being lowlife predatory thugs at every opportunity. A lot of bigger fish out to devour smaller ones, and the innocent poor need protection too. So the issue of who's watching the store and what they're about is a huge one. Quote
Leeway Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry Jim, I don't see a violation of the public trust. That's a pretty heavy charge. And I don't think smirking, or making some one cool their heels, makes him a bad cop in the way you suggest. I just think your comparison to child molester was over the top. It would be interesting to get the cop's side of this story. Quote
JETman Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Heroes or not, potential cops should have to pass IQ (or equivalent) tests. Stupidity and unjustified machismo leads to the type of behavior that was heaped on Mr. Fass. New York cops are among the worst offenders. Napoleon complex, anyone? Edited January 14, 2012 by JETman Quote
JSngry Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry Jim, I don't see a violation of the public trust. That's a pretty heavy charge. And I don't think smirking, or making some one cool their heels, makes him a bad cop in the way you suggest. I just think your comparison to child molester was over the top. It would be interesting to get the cop's side of this story. I'll nuance him from a bad cop to a schmuck cop, but it's still a violation of the public trust anytime you're not protected and/or served by someone charged to do that and only that. It's a helluva a tough gig, no doubt, but that's no excuse, is it? Quote
JETman Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry Jim, I don't see a violation of the public trust. That's a pretty heavy charge. And I don't think smirking, or making some one cool their heels, makes him a bad cop in the way you suggest. I just think your comparison to child molester was over the top. It would be interesting to get the cop's side of this story. I'll nuance him from a bad cop to a schmuck cop, but it's still a violation of the public trust anytime you're not protected and/or served by someone charged to do that and only that. It's a helluva a tough gig, no doubt, but that's no excuse, is it? See my comment in the post right above yours! Quote
JSngry Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Yep. I concur. Tough gig calls for tough people, not "tough guys". Quote
JETman Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Yep. I concur. Tough gig calls for tough people, not "tough guys". Extraordinarily well put. Quote
Leeway Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Yep. I concur. Tough gig calls for tough people, not "tough guys". That's cool. I assume the child molester comment is withdrawn. Quote
Pete C Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 See my comment in the post right above yours! The problem with your comment is that there are plenty of people with high IQs who are stupid and full of unjustified machismo. Quote
JSngry Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Yep. I concur. Tough gig calls for tough people, not "tough guys". That's cool. I assume the child molester comment is withdrawn. Nuanced, but not withdrawn.I'm tired of people making excuses when there's really none to be made. Quote
JETman Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 See my comment in the post right above yours! The problem with your comment is that there are plenty of people with high IQs who are stupid and full of unjustified machismo. Not in New York. Here, what you see is what you get. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 dude bro im sorry that is completely unnessary, you should sue him Quote
johnlitweiler Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Fasstrack, in NYC, if that asshole cop doesn't show up for the court hearing, will the judge automatically dismiss the charges? Quote
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