Chick Webb Mosaic Set announced

[gmonahan]

I think Chuck is right (he usually is). As David's post shows, it appears the future lies in streaming, and I suppose the quality of streams will improve, but what about the "stuff" that comes WITH the music--booklets with cool essays, discographies, and photos? I like having it in my hands, and I fear that era is indeed ending. Books too, I think.

gregmo

[A Lark Ascending]

I think Chuck is right (he usually is). As David's post shows, it appears the future lies in streaming, and I suppose the quality of streams will improve, but what about the "stuff" that comes WITH the music--booklets with cool essays, discographies, and photos? I like having it in my hands, and I fear that era is indeed ending. Books too, I think.

gregmo

A bit like saying 'I like the smell of steam trains'. A perfectly valid preference, but life rolls on.

I think David has his finger on where things are heading. I used to care for all the packaging but I realised that I rarely looked at it and most of the information needed is there via Google. Much as I don't need my sausages in a plastic tray, covered in cellophane and then with a pretty sleeve slid over the top.

In the Age of Austerity, if we're going to have the luxury of non-specialist music at all, then we're going to have to adapt to getting it from a source that minimises packaging and distribution costs.

I'm glass 3/4 full too - I think the curiosity to hear this music will still be there.

[miles65]

Back to Chick. I checked his discography published in "Ella Fitzgerald: An Annotated Discography" by J. Wilfred Johnson.

The following sessions will not be included as they are owned by Sony:

20-12-1933, 15-1-1934, 4-5-1934, 18-7-1934 (8 tracks) All for Columbia.

6-7-1934 (4 tracks) for Okeh

So hold on to your copy of either: Hep 1023, Classics 502 or Properbox 97.

Chich Webb made only 4 sessions as as sideman:

8-12-1932 with Louis Armstrong for Victor (on Louis Armstrong Integrale vol. 6)

7-5-1932 with Mezz Mezzrow for Victor (on Classics 713 Mezz Mezzrow 1928-1936)

3-3-1937 with Jimmy Mundy for Variety (on Classics 1200 Jimmy Mundy 1937-1947)

25-3-1937 with the Gotham Stompers for Variety (on Mosaic 235 Ellington Small Groups)

Edited November 19, 2011 by Stompy Jones

[J.A.W.]

Mosaic's Scott Wenzel told me it looks like the Webb/Fitzgerald set will be released at the end of the year - 2012, that is

[gmonahan]

Mosaic's Scott Wenzel told me it looks like the Webb/Fitzgerald set will be released at the end of the year - 2012, that is

Will it beat the Hawkins set out?!

gregmo

[golfcrazy1984]

Mosaic's Scott Wenzel told me it looks like the Webb/Fitzgerald set will be released at the end of the year - 2012, that is

Will it beat the Hawkins set out?!

gregmo

That's the million dollar question!!! HAHA. At this point with all the delays, anything's possible. Sure can't wait until I am putting disk 1 of the Coleman Hakins set into my cd player!

[miles65]

Mosaic website now says: 2013 with no further specification.

[tranemonk]

Bummer.. I'm looking forward to this one...

Mosaic website now says: 2013 with no further specification.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

[SwingItTrev]

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

[jazztrain]

My understanding is that Mosaic is working on an Earl Hines big band box.

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

[romualdo]

My understanding is that Mosaic is working on an Earl Hines big band box.

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

I suppose it will be pre Wardell Gray

[J.A.W.]

My understanding is that Mosaic is working on an Earl Hines big band box.

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

I suppose it will be pre Wardell Gray

Hines led a big band from 1928 to 1948. Wardell Gray was with Hines during 1943-1945.

[J.A.W.]

Mosaic website now says: 2013 with no further specification.

I'm guessing the upcoming Mingus got precedence over the Webb.

[romualdo]

My understanding is that Mosaic is working on an Earl Hines big band box.

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

I suppose it will be pre Wardell Gray

Hines led a big band from 1928 to 1948. Wardell Gray was with Hines during 1943-1945.

I was aware of that but I'm wondering if the "choice" years that would comprise the box would exclude the WG period

[medjuck]

For those of you in New York, there's a documentary about Chick Webb being shown as part of the NY Film Festival.

[J.A.W.]

My understanding is that Mosaic is working on an Earl Hines big band box.

Yes, I think I'll cop this one.

Then Erskine Hawkins, maybe?

MG

Erskine Hawkins would be a good follow up. I was thinking 30s Earl Hines would be a good choice too.

I suppose it will be pre Wardell Gray

Hines led a big band from 1928 to 1948. Wardell Gray was with Hines during 1943-1945.

I was aware of that but I'm wondering if the "choice" years that would comprise the box would exclude the WG period

No idea. Why don't you ask Mosaic?

[miles65]

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing:

He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded.

In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca.

The lone 1945 Victor date is the only one with Wardell Gray for Sony/BMG. Further recordings with Gray were made for small labels apparently not owened by Sony/BMG. If they are in the public domain in the USA they might be included (like a number of sessions in the Hawkins box). But this is just my speculation I don't have info from Mosaic. Those small label recordings have been reissued on Classics 1041 'Earl Hines 1945-1947'.

[medjuck]

Are there enough Teddy Wilson band dates (minus those with Lady Day since they're readily available) to justify a Mosaic set? I remember that Columbia Canada once did a 2Lp set, though it included a few of the Billie Holiday cuts. I was just listening to his sextet (IIRC) on an old AFRC Jubilee broadcast and they were great.

[SwingItTrev]

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing:

He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded.

In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca.

I looked this up too. He also recorded 6 tracks for Decca in 1935 if i'm not mistaken. Does Mosaic ever do combined Universal(Decca) and Sony/BMG sets?

[JETman]

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing:

He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded.

In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca.

I looked this up too. He also recorded 6 tracks for Decca in 1935 if i'm not mistaken. Does Mosaic ever do combined Universal(Decca) and Sony/BMG sets?

They try not to.

[king ubu]

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing:

He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded.

In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca.

I looked this up too. He also recorded 6 tracks for Decca in 1935 if i'm not mistaken. Does Mosaic ever do combined Universal(Decca) and Sony/BMG sets?

They try not to.

Gee, grow up!

[JETman]

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing:

He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded.

In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca.

I looked this up too. He also recorded 6 tracks for Decca in 1935 if i'm not mistaken. Does Mosaic ever do combined Universal(Decca) and Sony/BMG sets?

They try not to.

Gee, grow up!

As I scratch my head, I'm wondering what you thought I meant.

[king ubu]

Well, you insinuated that Mosaic intentionally don't mix recordings from more than one major label, as if it was their choice. I guess there's plenty of difficulties in there and I know others have complained here about the fact that most of the time it seems to be impossible to gather recordings from more than one major under one roof - but I really wouldn't want to hold that against Mosaic (which again, is how I understood your post).

[J.A.W.]

I'm told that major companies are often unwilling to license recordings for a set if there are other majors involved, and that the licensing cost is prohibitive.