Strange quote from Chick Corea

[AllenLowe]

I don't think Scientology is the same thing as Islam - and I do think Scientology has an impact on many of Corea's pseudo-populist postures.

Edited November 11, 2011 by AllenLowe

[jazzbo]

D'ya think we could stop already with the mindless criticism of a musician who happened to say one "bad" thing? All that should really matter is that Corea's given much to the music that we all enjoy so much. He still performs at a VERY high level for a spry old man aged 70!

Methinks this has more to do with some automatic ridicule for his beliefs. As far as I know, we still do have religious freedom in the US.

Chick is a great musician, check my posts, but and he does have freedom to believe anything he wants. But is scientology a religion? More of a cult, according to what I read.

You seem to be missing the point of my post.

Are you saying that if it's a cult, and not a religion, that he doesn't have the freedom to follow it as he wishes? Does he seem the worse for wear? Does he need saving from the cult, as an impressionable child might? Is this really so different than any other of your jazz heroes deciding mid-life to become muslim? And even if it is, who really cares? Anyone here is free to NOT buy his new music. To just drone on and on about some insignificant facet of his life is just plain ignorant and WRONG!

ATR was hardly droning on about it and merely posited that Scientology may not be a religion. In fact, several nations still don't recognize that Scientology is a religion and the US government is forever trying to define it as a methodology, not a religion, and get some tax monies.

I spent several years living in a rented house with Scientologists, and several additional years involved musically with a guitarist and song-writer who was a Scientologist, and from that viewpoint I don't really see Dianetics and Scientology as a religion but at its best as an alternative to psychiatry. For many of its adherents it starts out as a sort of self-improvement therapy series and then can become something else with further involvement. Its biggest enemy (in its own estimation) is the psychiatric community and accepted psychology; Scientologists believe they have the new/old truth in this field and should have the place of privilege and rank. They've gone another route instead.

I DO think that Scientology informs Corea's work, but agree with John that it's hardly different than the way that other belief systems or methodologies (or lack of same) have influenced the work of other jazz artists.

Edited November 11, 2011 by jazzbo

[JETman]

I don't think Scientology is the same thing as Islam - and I do think Scientology has an impact on many of Corea's pseudo-populist postures.

Do these postures translate to his fingers?

If you still think so, I suggest you check this out -- recorded live at the Blue Note, NYC in May 2010:

http://www.amazon.com/Further-Explorations-Chick-Corea/dp/B004VN7V18/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321019341&sr=1-1

Again, the music is what matters. Discussion of all else is a waste of bandwidth in cyberspace.

D'ya think we could stop already with the mindless criticism of a musician who happened to say one "bad" thing? All that should really matter is that Corea's given much to the music that we all enjoy so much. He still performs at a VERY high level for a spry old man aged 70!

Methinks this has more to do with some automatic ridicule for his beliefs. As far as I know, we still do have religious freedom in the US.

Chick is a great musician, check my posts, but and he does have freedom to believe anything he wants. But is scientology a religion? More of a cult, according to what I read.

You seem to be missing the point of my post.

Are you saying that if it's a cult, and not a religion, that he doesn't have the freedom to follow it as he wishes? Does he seem the worse for wear? Does he need saving from the cult, as an impressionable child might? Is this really so different than any other of your jazz heroes deciding mid-life to become muslim? And even if it is, who really cares? Anyone here is free to NOT buy his new music. To just drone on and on about some insignificant facet of his life is just plain ignorant and WRONG!

ATR was hardly droning on about it and merely posited that Scientology may not be a religion. In fact, several nations still don't recognize that Scientology is a religion and the US government is forever trying to define it as a methodology, not a religion, and get some tax monies.

I spent several years living in a rented house with Scientologists, and several additional years involved musically with a guitarist and song-writer who was a Scientologist, and from that viewpoint I don't really see Dianetics and Scientology as a religion but at its best as an alternative to psychiatry. For many of its adherents it starts out as a sort of self-improvement therapy series and then can become something else with further involvement. Its biggest enemy (in its own estimation) is the psychiatric community and accepted psychology; Scientologists believe they have the new/old truth in this field and should have the place of privilege and rank. They've gone another route instead.

I DO think that Scientology informs Corea's work, but agree with John that it's hardly different than the way that other belief systems or methodologies (or lack of same) have influenced the work of other jazz artists.

The fact that I called it a religion was NOT the point of my post. I could have just as easily called it 'shit', and it still would not matter.

I know that ATR produces jazz records. That does NOT make him more informed about anything other than producing jazz records than you or I.

[thedwork]

three quick and unnecessary points i feel compelled to post:

1) Scientology is batshit crazy freak-show nonsense.

2) this thread is some classic internet forum gobbledygook.

[Dan Gould]

Scientology isn't just a cult, its a criminal organization.

[cih]

Also one of the most litigious religious organizations in history so we all have to be 'careful' - a few years ago they attempted to prosecute a teenager here in the UK for calling them a cult. The courts wisely decided that it was not abuse, but criticism.

[JETman]

three quick and unnecessary points i feel compelled to post:

1) Scientology is batshit crazy freak-show nonsense.

2) this thread is some classic internet forum gobbledygook.

This may classify as some more internet forum gobbledygook, but where's your THIRD 'quick and unnecessary' point?

[Dan Gould]

Definitely in the UK, but for them to do much in the U.S. with that pesky First Amendment that they hide behind for their "religion". And anyway I'm sure the ACLU would defend me.

I'm a card-carrying member, doncha know.

[7/4]

three quick and unnecessary points i feel compelled to post:

1) Scientology is batshit crazy freak-show nonsense.

2) this thread is some classic internet forum gobbledygook.

This may classify as some more internet forum gobbledygook, but where's your THIRD 'quick and unnecessary' point?

[jazzbo]

I don't think Scientology is the same thing as Islam - and I do think Scientology has an impact on many of Corea's pseudo-populist postures.

Do these postures translate to his fingers?

If you still think so, I suggest you check this out -- recorded live at the Blue Note, NYC in May 2010:

http://www.amazon.com/Further-Explorations-Chick-Corea/dp/B004VN7V18/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321019341&sr=1-1

Again, the music is what matters. Discussion of all else is a waste of bandwidth in cyberspace.

D'ya think we could stop already with the mindless criticism of a musician who happened to say one "bad" thing? All that should really matter is that Corea's given much to the music that we all enjoy so much. He still performs at a VERY high level for a spry old man aged 70!

Methinks this has more to do with some automatic ridicule for his beliefs. As far as I know, we still do have religious freedom in the US.

Chick is a great musician, check my posts, but and he does have freedom to believe anything he wants. But is scientology a religion? More of a cult, according to what I read.

You seem to be missing the point of my post.

Are you saying that if it's a cult, and not a religion, that he doesn't have the freedom to follow it as he wishes? Does he seem the worse for wear? Does he need saving from the cult, as an impressionable child might? Is this really so different than any other of your jazz heroes deciding mid-life to become muslim? And even if it is, who really cares? Anyone here is free to NOT buy his new music. To just drone on and on about some insignificant facet of his life is just plain ignorant and WRONG!

ATR was hardly droning on about it and merely posited that Scientology may not be a religion. In fact, several nations still don't recognize that Scientology is a religion and the US government is forever trying to define it as a methodology, not a religion, and get some tax monies.

I spent several years living in a rented house with Scientologists, and several additional years involved musically with a guitarist and song-writer who was a Scientologist, and from that viewpoint I don't really see Dianetics and Scientology as a religion but at its best as an alternative to psychiatry. For many of its adherents it starts out as a sort of self-improvement therapy series and then can become something else with further involvement. Its biggest enemy (in its own estimation) is the psychiatric community and accepted psychology; Scientologists believe they have the new/old truth in this field and should have the place of privilege and rank. They've gone another route instead.

I DO think that Scientology informs Corea's work, but agree with John that it's hardly different than the way that other belief systems or methodologies (or lack of same) have influenced the work of other jazz artists.

The fact that I called it a religion was NOT the point of my post. I could have just as easily called it 'shit', and it still would not matter.

I know that ATR produces jazz records. That does NOT make him more informed about anything other than producing jazz records than you or I.

Well what is your point then? It seems to have been missed in all the sort of negative remarks you reel out about posters day after day. That Corea has made some great music? Not many here are refuting that. That "nothing else matters but the music?" That would cause the forum to have about 1 percent the activity it does.

Edited November 11, 2011 by jazzbo

[JETman]

My point is (and knowing you like I do, I think you get it) is enough with the negative commentary about what he said and about his belief system. How 'bout a healthy discourse on the merits (or lack thereof) of his music?

It's the same as discussions about Jarrett always turning to how much he moans and groans, or about how egotistical he is. I don't really care, and why should anyone else?

[cih]

My point is (and knowing you like I do, I think you get it) is enough with the negative commentary about what he said and about his belief system. How 'bout a healthy discourse on the merits (or lack thereof) of his music?

The thread was in relation to an interview he gave. I believe a musician might have something to say to us via channels aside from his music, and we might have a response to it.

[Dan Gould]

It's the same as discussions about Jarrett always turning to how much he moans and groans, or about how egotistical he is. I don't really care, and why should anyone else?

Let me get this right - you don't care, so no one else should? You determine what is important and what isn't?

I thought it was egotistical when you posted in the Sandusky thread "is this all you have to say about my points?" but this just proves it. You've got a Grade-A ego, pal and need to give it a rest.

[JETman]

My point is (and knowing you like I do, I think you get it) is enough with the negative commentary about what he said and about his belief system. How 'bout a healthy discourse on the merits (or lack thereof) of his music?

The thread was in relation to an interview he gave. I believe a musician might have something to say to us via channels aside from his music, and we might have a response to it.

That's fine, but 2 pages of mindless nonsense is not. Don't settle, as they say.

[Pete C]

As far as I'm concerned religion and cult are synonyms.

It's the same as discussions about Jarrett always turning to how much he moans and groans...I don't really care, and why should anyone else?

You don't think the recordings would be more pleasant without the tortured animal sounds?

[JETman]

It's the same as discussions about Jarrett always turning to how much he moans and groans, or about how egotistical he is. I don't really care, and why should anyone else?

Let me get this right - you don't care, so no one else should? You determine what is important and what isn't?

I thought it was egotistical when you posted in the Sandusky thread "is this all you have to say about my points?" but this just proves it. You've got a Grade-A ego, pal and need to give it a rest.

Really? Intuitive much?

[jazzbo]

I didn't even get a glimmer of that point amongst all your attacks on the posts. This thread, as clh points out, was not started about his music, but about his statement. I don't see any discussion here that is not included in that topic. Don't read, don't participate, if you don't want to discuss his statements or read about reactions to them.

[JETman]

As far as I'm concerned religion and cult are synonyms.

It's the same as discussions about Jarrett always turning to how much he moans and groans...I don't really care, and why should anyone else?

You don't think the recordings would be more pleasant without the tortured animal sounds?

You're a musician criticizing another musician??? What ever happened to the 'good old boys' network?

[Larry Kart]

Again, JETman -- no personal attacks.

[thedwork]

three quick and unnecessary points i feel compelled to post:

1) Scientology is batshit crazy freak-show nonsense.

2) this thread is some classic internet forum gobbledygook.

This may classify as some more internet forum gobbledygook, but where's your THIRD 'quick and unnecessary' point?

oops

let's see...

3) Breakfast is the most important meal of the day!

[JSngry]

Even if it's the last meal of the day!

[thedwork]

Even if it's the last meal of the day!

L. Ron Hubbard always ate breakfast last. It's science...

[JSngry]

Breakfast at 4 AM after a gig before going home to bed, breakfast at 3 PM after waking up from the gig after which you had breakfast at 4 AM the night before, the most important thing is to eat breakfast as much as possible in order to maintain a shiny coat and a healthy constitution.

[Hoppy T. Frog]

three quick and unnecessary points i feel compelled to post:

1) Scientology is batshit crazy freak-show nonsense.

2) this thread is some classic internet forum gobbledygook.

This may classify as some more internet forum gobbledygook, but where's your THIRD 'quick and unnecessary' point?

oops

let's see...

3) Breakfast is the most important meal of the day!

I thought you were doing a Rick Perry joke, but it seems you just honestly had a Rick Perry moment

[RDK]

Breakfast at 4 AM after a gig before going home to bed, breakfast at 3 PM after waking up from the gig after which you had breakfast at 4 AM the night before, the most important thing is to eat breakfast as much as possible in order to maintain a shiny coat and a healthy constitution.

"Tonight at noon," guys, "tonight at noon."