AllenLowe Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 this is a ways off but I'm hoping, at some point, to do a 1960s music project that, while not all encompassing, covers rock and roll, jazz, and the (non-jazz) avant garde from that era (with some crossover like John Cale, Lamont Young, et al). I would like to get suggestions; they can include 1959-1970. I will probably include the usual suspects, but would like, from this forum, people to suggest maybe what they think are the 5-10 essential jazz and avant gardists from that era. thanks - Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Posted October 16, 2011 is this all you got (to quote what Muhammed Ali said to George Foreman)? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) AACM Albert Ayler Captain Beefheart Ornette Coleman John Coltrane Bill Dixon Terry Riley George Russell Karlheinz Stockhausen Cecil Taylor The Velvet Underground Iannis Xenakis Edited October 16, 2011 by clifford_thornton Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Posted October 16, 2011 now we're talking - thanks - my problem is that I've been so ensconced in music from 1900-1930 that I need some outside opinions. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 I'll wait until it's published and bitch like an ex-wife! Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Posted October 16, 2011 I'm doing this in order to allow pre-bitching. Quote
kenny weir Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 Two guys I've always been interested in knowing more about regarding how they came to hook up with players with jazz tendencies, and making albums that had a jazzy - not outright jazz - feel: Boz Scaggs and Van Morrison. Also: Bll Champlin. Quote
Adam Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 Tony Conrad? Do you want just American or is the rest of the world fair game? Quote
Neal Pomea Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 Raga and other stuff from Robbie Basho, John Fahey. Quote
marcello Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 Ornette Coltrane Miles Muhal Richard Abrams Now, It gets really subjective/random: Ravi Shankar Joe Zawinul ( for Miles, Cannonball and Weather Report) Sun Ra Ayler George Russell Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 Adam - I will say world wide - Quote
ejp626 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Terry Riley I'd agree with Riley, but also John Cage Steve Reich For the later 60s Love Sly and the Family Stone Quote
Dave James Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Barney Wilen Lars Gullin Robert Fripp Moondog Anthony Ortega Jimmy Lyons Nick Drake Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 good stuff, thanks. My work is cut out for me. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) from the late 60's: John Stevens Peter Brotzmann AMM Edited October 17, 2011 by Steve Reynolds Quote
medjuck Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Carla Bley, Zappa Quote
ATR Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I've been contemplating whether to get these 6 3XCD sets from the Wergo label for some time now. This was the avant garde of the 60's. Everyone is pretty much represented. http://www.jazzloft.com/p-50769-earle-brown-contemporary-sound-series-vol-1.aspx Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) In European improvised music, I really think of things as getting underway in the 1970s - though certainly Brotzmann, Wilen (who seemed to embrace "free jazz" around 1965-1966), Stevens, Schoof, von Schlippenbach, Tusques and others were on the scene before that. Cage, sure. Funny, my mind usually thinks of his work tied to the 1940s and 1950s. With Reich, certainly he began his explorations in the 1960s but the 70s was really his "decade." Same with Glass. Maybe Riley too, though I know he was quite advanced with his work in the early '60s along with LaMonte and Terry Jennings. Edited October 17, 2011 by clifford_thornton Quote
BeBop Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Archie Shepp Kraftwerk/Organisation (I know the former is pushing on the end of the time horizon) Quote
ATR Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) this is a ways off but I'm hoping, at some point, to do a 1960s music project that, while not all encompassing, covers rock and roll, jazz, and the (non-jazz) avant garde from that era (with some crossover like John Cale, Lamont Young, et al). I would like to get suggestions; they can include 1959-1970. I will probably include the usual suspects, but would like, from this forum, people to suggest maybe what they think are the 5-10 essential jazz and avant gardists from that era. thanks - Morton Feldman Karheinz Stockhausen John Cage Luciano Berio Cecil Taylor Albert Ayler Sun Ra Ornette Coleman Pierre Boulez Elliot Carter George Crumb Terry Riley LaMonte Young Those are who I would call the usual suspects. If there is an avant garde of rock music, I guess it would be AMM. Rock is pretty much by definition a popular and commercial music. As a matter of fact, John Cage told me jazz is popular music. I hardly know what these labels mean any more other than what the person using them says they mean. Edited October 17, 2011 by ATR Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Funny... I guess Pink Floyd is mostly "known" for their work in the 70s, but I think their best music was at the tail end of the '60s and that work was decidedly avant-garde. 1967's Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a classic, and Saucerful of Secrets isn't too shabby either. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I've been contemplating whether to get these 6 3XCD sets from the Wergo label for some time now. This was the avant garde of the 60's. Everyone is pretty much represented. http://www.jazzloft.com/p-50769-earle-brown-contemporary-sound-series-vol-1.aspx I have all those on Time/Mainstream LPs and the music is great. Definitely worth picking up. Quote
cih Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) King Tubby - though maybe his full impact comes a couple of years late - but he indicates the impending rise of the engineer as an artist with the remix/version, which Tubby particularly was pioneering in '68 onwards... Edited October 17, 2011 by cih Quote
Jazzjet Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Raga and other stuff from Robbie Basho, John Fahey. And Sandy Bull. Adam - I will say world wide - Then I would add Joe Harriott, the alto saxophonist. Key avant garde albums - Abstract and Free Form. Quote
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