Larry Kart Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. Quote
JSngry Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. That is not a flow chart. Pleae provide a flow chart. Need Visio? So do I! Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. That is not a flow chart. Pleae provide a flow chart. Same approach as Gitler's on the notes to "Sonny Rollins Plus Four," which IIRC was the first album I bought with money I'd earned. Pretty good choice. Our blond-wood console record player was in the living room, and I'd play "Pent Up House" every night (sometimes placing the needle back to listen again to Clifford's solo) while my father tried to read the evening paper. Finally he said, "Don't you have ANY other records?" Quote
JSngry Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Sorry Dad, spent all my money on Visio! But you know, if indeed one was to only have one record because of purchasing high-powered corporate flow-chart software, that would not be a bad one to have! Still, that being then, and this being now (at least for now), let's see if we can't rock it like this, ok? The Tenor Taxonomy deserves nothing less! Quote
king ubu Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 well then get to work! and don't forget: NO CAPS for email addresses! Quote
Swinging Swede Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 I thought Chicago school would be something like Bud Freeman -> Eddie Miller. There is also an interesting line going Don Byas -> Lucky Thompson -> Benny Golson. Early John Coltrane was clearly influenced by Dexter Gordon, but later Gordon showed an influence from Coltrane, which is quite interesting to hear. And, although Bird didn't record much on tenor, what exists is superior. It is particularly interesting to hear the 1953 Miles Davis session with both Parker and Rollins on tenor, and hear how similar Rollins sounded to Bird. Quote
jeffcrom Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 I thought Chicago school would be something like Bud Freeman -> Eddie Miller. SS, I don't know to what extent this was a tongue-in-cheek reply, but to give a serious response: I don't know how much Eddie Miller was influenced by Bud Freeman, although there are superficial similarities. Miller's playing seems to have been part of a distinct New Orleans tenor sax style that developed independently of Freeman. It can be glimpsed as far back as Charlie Cordella's playing on the 1925 Halfway House Orchestra sides (Maple Leaf Rag, for example). Other New Orleans tenor players who might remind a listener of Eddie Miller are Lester Bouchon, who also recorded as early as 1925 (with Oliver Naylor), but who is best known for his work in the 1940's and 50's. Also check out Steve Giarrantano, who is on Irving Fazola's 1945/46 New Orleans recordings. And when the great clarinetist Raymond Burke played tenor, he exhibited a very similar style. All the N.O. tenor players I've named were white, but interestingly, Daniel Farrow, who came up playing R & B in the 1950's and now plays frequently at Preservation Hall, gets the same kind of sound - very Eddie Miller-like. Quote
flat5 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Pete Fountain recorded on tenor in the early sixties. He had that New Orleans sound. Quote
JSngry Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Do we dare bring Sam Butera into the discussion? Quote
Pete C Posted October 3, 2011 Report Posted October 3, 2011 but later Gordon showed an influence from Coltrane, which is quite interesting to hear. This can be said for a number of players, including Harold Land and James Moody. I once saw a concert where Moody played pure bebop alto and modal Trane tenor. Quote
Pete C Posted October 3, 2011 Report Posted October 3, 2011 [k reply, but to give a serious response: I don't know how much Eddie Miller was influenced by Bud Freeman, although there are superficial similarities. Similarity in tone. Probably the only major tenor players not out of Prez who had a softer tone than the Hawkins school, no? Quote
jeffcrom Posted October 3, 2011 Report Posted October 3, 2011 [k reply, but to give a serious response: I don't know how much Eddie Miller was influenced by Bud Freeman, although there are superficial similarities. Similarity in tone. Probably the only major tenor players not out of Prez who had a softer tone than the Hawkins school, no? I agree, although I would use the word "lighter" rather than "softer." My point is that a similar style was already being developed in New Orleans at a time when the saxophonists there couldn't have possibly been familiar with Freeman. Charlie Cordella was recording by 1925, and Freeman didn't make any records (or probably tour very far out of Chicago) until 1927. It seems likely to me that Eddie Miller's playing was much more influenced by what was going on in his hometown than by Freeman. Quote
Quasimado Posted October 4, 2011 Report Posted October 4, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. You've got me. Who? (Anyway, nice to see Ziggy there, although for what obscure reason I don't know ... but he could play!) Q Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 4, 2011 Report Posted October 4, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. You've got me. Who? (Anyway, nice to see Ziggy there, although for what obscure reason I don't know ... but he could play!) Q Sorry -- just an attempt on my part to construct an impossibly incongrous imaginary player. Maybe I should have stuck with my first thought: FRANK TRUMBAUER Big Jay McNeely Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted October 4, 2011 Report Posted October 4, 2011 Yeah, more flow charts, please! My favorite tenor saxophone taxonomy: DAVE PELL Nino Tempo arthur rollini ziggy vines You have to guess who this is. You've got me. Who? (Anyway, nice to see Ziggy there, although for what obscure reason I don't know ... but he could play!) Q Sorry -- just an attempt on my part to construct an impossibly incongrous imaginary player. Maybe I should have stuck with my first thought: FRANK TRUMBAUER Big Jay McNeely Hey, that's me! Quote
flat5 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 Texas Tenors http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2011/10/05/141088887/five-titans-of-texas-tenor-sax Interesting picture of King Curtis :-) Quote
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