philtenb Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Hi all, A terrific new cd is released by Jordi Pujol (Fresh Sound Records) : Tony Fruscella - Brew Moore : The 1954 unissued Atlantic session. Great musicians, great music. The cd is on http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/the_1954_unissued_atlantic_session-cd-5595.html Good booklet too. Quote
king ubu Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Wow, this is seriously GREAT news!Anyone knows anything else about these recordings? How might Fresh Sound have gotten hold of them? Were they, as they say, "in circulation"? Quote
Niko Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 from the info on Michael Fitzgerald's page (no track timings etc) i don't think it was in circulation (he doesn't update the page regularly anymore though i believe, so this info is as of two years ago or so...); iirc someone (larry?) mentioned here that ira gitler had heard it or might own a copy but that's all i know... hadn't been aware that this was actually the first Fruscella Atlantic album, not the second so apparently it stayed in the can...? Quote
Niko Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 track titles and stuff look weird, there's a huge variation in running time between different takes, the titles reveal either a "blues project" or titles assigned by the engineer or such (the info in fitzgerald's discography with the matrix numbers looks as if it comes from session logs or so?)... and even with the longest versions of each tune it's barely 28 minutes (the cd is longer but there are 6 alternate takes) so apparently unfinished... or 10'? Quote
brownie Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Double WOW!!! The search for that session is over! Compliments to Jordi Pujol for unearthing it Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Good that my pending "mass" order from Fresh Sound/Blue Moon has not been placed yet. Quote
king ubu Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Good that my pending "mass" order from Fresh Sound/Blue Moon has not been placed yet. What's the critical mass? Quote
JohnS Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Good news and thanks for the heads up. It doesn't appear to have reached the UK yet. Quote
J.A.W. Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I don't think Mr Pujol has access to the Atlantic vaults, and I wonder where he got this unissued material from. Strange... Quote
bichos Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 wow!!! thanks for this news!! keep boppin´ marcel Quote
king ubu Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I don't think Mr Pujol has access to the Atlantic vaults, and I wonder where he got this unissued material from. Strange... It is strange... but that's how it is. Atlantic has never released this (are the releasing any jazz at all these days? Anything since the "Tutu" deluxe edition?) and it's great to be able to get it. On the other hand you can say: No one should ever hear it, no one has the right to release and/or hear it. Nothing wrong with that view, but curiosity just gets the better of me! Quote
J.A.W. Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) I don't think Mr Pujol has access to the Atlantic vaults, and I wonder where he got this unissued material from. Strange... It is strange... but that's how it is. Atlantic has never released this (are the releasing any jazz at all these days? Anything since the "Tutu" deluxe edition?) and it's great to be able to get it. On the other hand you can say: No one should ever hear it, no one has the right to release and/or hear it. Nothing wrong with that view, but curiosity just gets the better of me! If Mr Pujol doesn't have access to the Atlantic vaults and the material hasn't been available before, someone must have stolen it from the vaults. Edited September 15, 2011 by J.A.W. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 If Mr Pujol doesn't have access to the Atlatic vaults and the material hasn't been available before, someone must have stolen it from the vaults. Who knows who may have been given a dub of that session decades ago and allowed it to be circulated now? Maybe one of those involved in the session? It is not AUTOMATICALLY a case of "stolen" if something surfaces that somebody else prefers to sit on like a setting hen on a set of marbles wondering when ANYTHING will ever hatch from it... Quote
J.A.W. Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) If Mr Pujol doesn't have access to the Atlatic vaults and the material hasn't been available before, someone must have stolen it from the vaults. Who knows who may have been given a dub of that session decades ago and allowed it to be circulated now? Maybe one of those involved in the session? Yep, that could have been the case, hadn't thought of that. Edited September 15, 2011 by J.A.W. Quote
AllenLowe Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) actually, I got my detectives on the case and we found out EXACTLY how Pujol got those tapes - remember that fire at Atlantic years ago? pujol.bmp Edited September 15, 2011 by AllenLowe Quote
mikeweil Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Is there any information about why it was not issued in the first place? Maybe there was an agreement and the tapes handed over to Fruscella or whoever else ... or simply given a copy or a test pressing ... Quote
Niko Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 see my post above, i am fairly certain that someone somewhere on this board said that the album had been heard by a handful of people which at least opens the possibility that some copies were out... it's a bit short at least for a 12' album so maybe it was aborted or it was a late 10' album that fell through the cracks... Quote
Stereojack Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 see my post above, i am fairly certain that someone somewhere on this board said that the album had been heard by a handful of people which at least opens the possibility that some copies were out... it's a bit short at least for a 12' album so maybe it was aborted or it was a late 10' album that fell through the cracks... I distictly remember a person on this board claiming that copies of this were "around". Considering the speed and ease with which things are circulated these days, it stands to reason that this was going to fall into the hands of someone like Pujol sooner or later. The reasons things are not issued sometimes has little to do with the quality of the music. Now if someone can come up with that other Hasaan session! Quote
Niko Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 indeed though i don't think it has been circulating wildly, otherwise some people would have known Quote
AllenLowe Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I'll go for anything with Triglia. Quote
mikeweil Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I'll go for anything with Brew Moore ... Quote
Peter Friedman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 This is very very good news! Quote
Trumpet Guy Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 Jacked to finally hear this!!! I love Fru Quote
jlhoots Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 The last 2 cuts are on the Getz Hip-O box. Quote
Justin V Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 Now if someone can come up with that other Hasaan session! That's exactly what I was thinking. Quote
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