NCAA Football 2011

[Aggie87]

The season started last night - nice to finally have some real football going on!

Right now unranked Baylor is beating up #14 TCU, 47-23, and it's not even the 4th quarter. I think TCU lost a good QB in Andy Dalton to the NFL, and the new guy is going to take a while to get them back up to their previous level. Meanwhile Baylor's QB Robert Griffin is looking great!

[Dave James]

Out here in Ory-gone, we're anxiously awaiting tomorrow night's game with #4 LSU. If the Ducks can win this one, it gets them moving in the sort of direction that could put them in the Natty for a second straight year. A loss, and it becomes a season on the brink after just one game. My step-daughter, who's a senior at the U this year, is in Dallas for the game. Part of her 21st birthday present. I'm sure I'll be getting regular texts and pictures from on the scene as the game unfolds.

GO DUCKS

[Aggie87]

I think even if they lose, it's so early in the season they can overcome it. Alot of 1-loss teams end up in the top 5 if the loss is early.

I like Oregon to win though, since LSU's QB isn't playing.

In tonight's game, TCU is only down two to Baylor now, 47-45, with 7 minutes left. Exciting game!

[Free For All]

Great finish to the Ohio State/Wisconsin game!

Lots of surprises today- ISU beats Texas Tech, Minnesota beats Iowa, Oklahoma beats down K-State (not as much of a surprise IMO), Huskers big over Sparty. Tough OT loss for the Aggies (sorry, Erik ).

As of now, it looks like USC/Stanford is going to OT.

EDIT.....and Stanford pulls it out!

Edited October 30, 2011 by Free For All

[Aggie87]

Tough OT loss for the Aggies (sorry, Erik ).

This was gonna be their year. Finally. Supposedly peaking on offense and a young and hungry defense with a good D-coordinator.

Instead, they've lost 3 games, in all of which they had double digit leads at the half. Poor coaching adjustments or something, or hell, just poor coaching in general. Questionable play calling. Defense not arm-tackling. On and on. I've dialed my expectations for A&M wayyy back after this game. A&M has all the talent needed to be competitive and in the Top 10 right, but they're not coached well. I don't think Mike Sherman is the right guy for A&M as it heads into the SEC, at this point.

Other than that, been an interesting day of football. Shocked that Iowa State was able to whomp Texas Tech in Lubbock, a week after Tech upset Oklahoma. Stanford pulls it out in triple OT at USC. Ga Tech beats Clemson. Wisconsin loses to OSU on a hail mary again.

[Free For All]

LSU wins the battle of the kickers (I think Bama is going to be looking for a new one). A bruising defensive battle.

I was flipping back and forth and actually I thought the Ok. State/K. State game was a little more entertaining, but I like lots of scoring.

[Tom 1960]

Alot of great football on tv tonight. I wish I had the opportunity to have seen the Oklahoma State/Kansas State game. That looked like a great one but opted instead for the LSU/ Bama game. Couldn't miss that one being a huge LSU fan. That interception near the goal line by LSU was the key to the game.

[alocispepraluger102]

Alot of great football on tv tonight. I wish I had the opportunity to have seen the Oklahoma State/Kansas State game. That looked like a great one but opted instead for the LSU/ Bama game. Couldn't miss that one being a huge LSU fan. That interception near the goal line by LSU was the key to the game.

fine fine game.

it would have been a travesty to have these fine defensive efforts marred by cheap overtime touchdowns.

[papsrus]

Some folks are already looking forward to a rematch for the national championship, if things play out to where LSU wins the SEC and Bama finishes with this one loss.

I could live with that, but wouldn't mind seeing (if things play out) an LSU-Oklahoma State title game either. Electric offense vs. smash-mouth defense.

Stanford's in the mix, I guess, but I'm not sold. And forget Boise State. Could they win a one-off against any of the above? Sure. Are they one of the top two teams in the country. Nope.

[Aggie87]

Oklahoma State playing Iowa State tonight, and they're going into overtime. If ISU somehow pulls off this upset, who ends up #2 in the BCS rankings (with inside track to national championship game)?

Edited November 19, 2011 by Aggie87

[Aggie87]

Iowa State just intercepted Weeden in the 2nd OT!

Now they just scored, and won the game!! Whoa!!

[Free For All]

Iowa State just intercepted Weeden in the 2nd OT!

Now they just scored, and won the game!! Whoa!!

Was that a wild game or what? Great win for the Cyclones. I feel a little bad for OSU, such a tough week for them.

That OSU field goal attempt at the end or regulation was awfully close to being good- call could have gone either way.

Think 'Bama is celebrating?

[Aggie87]

Bama and Oregon both!

That FG looked pretty good to me, but I wasn't standing right under the goal post like the guy who gets paid to make that call.

Rough day for OSU, no doubt.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Aggie87

[Dave James]

The goal posts extend upward to infinity. If the ball is not inside them, then the kick is not good. The way I saw it, the ball passed right over the top of the right post.

[Dave James]

Did you see that the plane that was carrying the OSU women's basketball coach and his assistant was 50 years old and that the pilot was 82? Talk about running a program on a shoestring. Bet the OSU men's coaches don't travel that way. T. Boone Pickens has sunk so much money into that program, you'd think they might have a set aside a few extra shekels to put towards decent travel accommodations especially considering that this isn't the first time the University has experienced a air related tragedy.

[Aggie87]

The goal posts extend upward to infinity. If the ball is not inside them, then the kick is not good. The way I saw it, the ball passed right over the top of the right post.

Does that mean if any part of the ball passes inside the imaginary goal post, then it's a FG? (just like if any part of the ball passes over the imaginary plane of the goal line it's a td) Because I think at least part of the ball passed inside the imaginary goal post.

Or does that mean that theoretically the ball would have hit the imaginary goal post, and therefore bounced out and it's no FG?

Edited November 19, 2011 by Aggie87

[Free For All]

The goal posts extend upward to infinity. If the ball is not inside them, then the kick is not good. The way I saw it, the ball passed right over the top of the right post.

Does that mean if any part of the ball passes inside the imaginary goal post, then it's a FG? (just like if any part of the ball passes over the imaginary plane of the goal line it's a td) Because I think at least part of the ball passed inside the imaginary goal post.

Or does that mean that theoretically the ball would have hit the imaginary goal post, and therefore bounced out and it's no FG?

But it also could have hit the imaginary goal post and bounced in! Maybe they need to create some digital imaginary goal posts that extend waaaaaaaay up.

[Dave James]

Keep in mind that the ball at some point must pass over the crossbar, i.e. if a ball hits the upright and bounces over the crossbar, the kick is good. When the ball is kicked so high that it can't pass over the crossbar, then under no circumstances can it be good.

[Aggie87]

Keep in mind that the ball at some point must pass over the crossbar, i.e. if a ball hits the upright and bounces over the crossbar, the kick is good. When the ball is kicked so high that it can't pass over the crossbar, then under no circumstances can it be good.

So - does a ball that goes exactly over the top of a goal post count as a FG or not? Half the ball has passed over the crossbar, and half hasn't.

In other words, did Oklahoma State get robbed yesterday or was that a good call?

[Dave James]

Keep in mind that the ball at some point must pass over the crossbar, i.e. if a ball hits the upright and bounces over the crossbar, the kick is good. When the ball is kicked so high that it can't pass over the crossbar, then under no circumstances can it be good.

So - does a ball that goes exactly over the top of a goal post count as a FG or not? Half the ball has passed over the crossbar, and half hasn't.

In other words, did Oklahoma State get robbed yesterday or was that a good call?

I thought it was a good call. It looked like the ball passed directly over the right upright spinning end over end as any well struck kick will do. If the goalpost was another six feet high, I suppose it's theoretically possible that it could have struck the upright and fallen through over the crossbar. Unfortunately, that's something we'll never know. It was a lot more important last night but since USC is knocking down Oregon and stealing their lunch money at Autzen tonight, it won't make the sort of difference I thought it would.

[Free For All]

Oregon goes down! What a crazy weekend this has been!

[Dave James]

Oregon goes down! What a crazy weekend this has been!

You can officially add #5 Oklahoma to that list.

[alocispepraluger102]

Oregon goes down! What a crazy weekend this has been!

You can officially add #5 Oklahoma to that list.

yes, stoops outstupided himself again by calling a timeout when baylor with none was playing for overtime.

[Chalupa]

Joe Paterno, Rick Pitino and Mack Brown -- millionaires all and many times over. Their bosses? Go ahead. Try to name them.

Even if you can -- Graham Spanier, James R. Ramsey and William C. Powers, for the record -- they're not household names. When it comes to their salaries, it's as though they're working in different worlds, not on the same campus.

There are more than 90 football and basketball coaches making more than $1 million a year, including Brown, who tops out the football list at around $5 million at Texas, and Pitino, who brings in more than $7 million at Louisville. Meanwhile, there are only 10 presidents at the nation's 185 largest public universities taking home more than $725,000 annually.

Call it an imbalance of priorities or tipping the scales, but it happens all across America when multimillion-dollar athletic programs become the face of a university instead of the other way around.

"There's such an emphasis on building and expanding and paying top salaries that it's all tilted toward raising money," said Fisher DeBerry, who coached football for 23 years at Air Force and now serves as chairman of the American Football Coaches Association ethics committee. "Sometimes we lose the true essence of what we're doing out there. The true meaning of college sports is to help kids gain an education and become better people and find their place in society."

If that's become lost on the schools, it's also lost on the public.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=7274301

[Chalupa]

Salaries for college football coaches back on rise...

Jimbo Fisher got a raise of roughly $950,000 after last season, his first as head football coach at Florida State, boosting his pay to about $2.8 million.

So, at a time of tightening budgets, how does a public employee get a 50% raise of nearly $1 million after one year on the job?

"You're always looking at whether or not you have the potential to lose a good coach and end up having to pay more in order to get the next one," Florida State President Eric Barron says.

That sort of inflationary reasoning is a factor in the rapid rise in salaries of major-college head football coaches. An analysis by USA TODAY found that in 2006 the average pay for major-college coaches was $950,000 — coincidentally, about the amount of Fisher's raise after last season.

The average compensation in 2011 is $1.47 million, a jump of nearly 55% in six seasons.

In the six conferences with automatic Bowl Championship Series bids, the average salary rose from $1.4 million in 2006 to $2.125 million in 2011. That's a jump of about 52% — meaning salaries at schools in the other five major conferences are going up at roughly the same rate as they are at higher-profile schools.

"The hell with gold," higher education lawyer Sheldon Steinbach says. "I want to buy futures in coaches' contracts."

Critics find it troubling that this rapid rise for coaches comes at a time when instructional spending at many schools has slowed or declined amid economic struggles and shrinking state education budgets.

"Athletics has gotten so disproportionate to the rest of the economy, and to the academic community, that it is unbelievable," says Julian Spallholz, a professor in the department of food and nutrition at Texas Tech, where coach Tommy Tuberville got a $550,000 raise. "This kind of disproportion in the country is why people are occupying Wall Street."

This season, at least 64 coaches are making more than $1 million. Of those, 32 are being paid more than $2 million, nine are making more than $3 million, and three are making more than $4 million. Texas' Mack Brown tops the list; he's being paid more than $5 million. The analysis is based on contracts or other documents showing compensation from 110 of the 120 schools in the NCAA's top-tier Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS).

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