European Impulse! 2-on-1 CD reissues

[Jazz_Thrash]

I like these series: they are cheap, they respect the original artwork and the sound is good. The only problem is the selection: some of them are very good, but with others they include a very good album with other avoidable (I am thinking in Pharoah Sanders or Albert Ayler).

About this new planning to release, I like Marion Brown, Alice Coltrane and Blue Mitchell. The Sonny criss set is awful, but Impulse archives didn't have any better release from him...

[webbcity]

I've got my eye on the Alice Coltrane and the Marion Brown.

The real shocker would be if they announced a two-fer of Ornette at 12 and Crisis!

I believe that I've read that Ornette has the rights to those recordings.

I wonder why he doesn't release them then?

[David Ayers]

I am guessing he wants more than anyone is willing to pay. In theory he could have released a lot of material, new or old, over recent years, but hasn't done so.

[JSngry]

Ornette not wanting to confrontate his outputs as productality instead of artism.

Edited September 23, 2011 by JSngry

[felser]

He also had his 12 year old son on drums on those two. I know critics are split on that aspect, but I remember the drumming sounding pretty bad (though I admittedly haven't heard the stuff in almost 40 years).

[webbcity]

Well, call me crazy but I like Denardo's playing on those records. He also plays well on The Empty Foxhole, and that one has seen at least a couple different CD editions.

[king ubu]

Me too... "Crisis" is GREAT, the other two are GOOD.

And there was more recorded from where "Crisis" came from, it seems (same with "Town Hall") - though to my knowledge, none of that is "in circulation". Would love to see it all reissued and expanded!

[felser]

Me too... "Crisis" is GREAT, the other two are GOOD.

And there was more recorded from where "Crisis" came from, it seems (same with "Town Hall") - though to my knowledge, none of that is "in circulation". Would love to see it all reissued and expanded!

There were a couple of Ornette cuts, I think outtakes from the "Crisis" recordings, that came out in the early 70's on a great three LP sampler called "Impulse Energy Essentials". I picked that set up right when I was new to jazz, and it was my introduction to Ornette, Mingus, Pharoah Sanders, Oliver Nelson, Eric Dolphy, Max Roach and others.

[JSngry]

Are you sure those were outtakes?

[mracz]

There was a 45 issued at the time, not from the Crisis concert but studio tracks, one side called The man I the moon, I think. I'm guessing that's what's on the sampler. Nice tracks,particularly the one NOT called Man in the moon...

[webbcity]

According to this... http://discog.piezoelektric.org/marionbrown/d/impulseenergyessentialsadevelopmentalandhistoricalintroductiontothenewmusic.html ... there's one tune from Crisis on the Energy Essentials set. Nonetheless, looks like a great set!

[JSngry]

There was a 45 issued at the time, not from the Crisis concert but studio tracks, one side called The man I the moon, I think. I'm guessing that's what's on the sampler. Nice tracks,particularly the one NOT called Man in the moon...

http://www.jazzdisco...an/discography/

Ornette Coleman Sextet

Don Cherry (cor) Ornette Coleman (as) Dewey Redman (ts) Charlie Haden (b) Ed Blackwell (d) Emanuel Ghent (electronic devices) NYC, July, 1969

91045Man On The Moon Impulse 45-275

91046Growing Up -

* Ornette Coleman - Man On The Moon b/w Growing Up (Impulse 45-275)

Never heard of this before....hmmmm.....

Edited September 23, 2011 by JSngry

[colinmce]

http://destination-out.com/?p=2372

[.:.impossible]

Nice to see George Scala's name mentioned. He lived in Charlotte when we were living there. Really nice guy. He had me over to listen to music. Man, time flies. This must have been 12 years ago.

[Niko]

fwiw there appears to be one more in the current batch:

Howard Roberts - Antelope Freeway / Equinox Express Elevator

[felser]

Are you sure those were outtakes?

No, I think I got it backwards. I can remember the liner notes talking about two outtakes of some sort and "Trouble in The East", and the producer (Cuscuna ?) wanting to do it one way and Ornette wanting to do it the other way, so I think I reversed it in my memory (it's been 40 years). Does anyone have the album that they can look at the liner notes? Stephen Davis wrote them (I don't remember that, I looked it up on Google. Can't find producer credit the liner notes themselves out there).

[king ubu]

There's an entry on that one on the Marion Brown Discography that suggests the one Ornette track (Side 3 Track 4, "Trouble in East", 6:39) is indeed the same as was released on "Crisis".

That's the most I can seem to find online...

[shaft]

The sound of the Curtis Fuller 2-fer is OK but not more. It is somewhat dark and muddy compared to the Original Impulse Stereo LP. A listener friend commented spontaneously about the difference the other day. Listenable of course, but Impulses can sound really great when done right on CD. Especially the japaneese K2 issues have been proven to have high SQ for me.

[cliffpeterson]

The sonny criss and the blue mitchell are actually 2 cds each.

[Clunky]

I've just got the Marion Brown CD in this series , sounds quite interesting, thought about the Pharoah S but the samples dont get me excited , the Shepp sounds very much better. Any opinions re which of the Alice Coltrane CDs to go for first ??. I have nothing by her.

[jazzbo]

Re: Alice: go for ones not in this series first. Her Verve release, or Her Warner's discs, or the earlier Impulses that are out on earlier cds. THEN go for these if you are pleased. Just my two cents---I love all Alice.

Edited October 17, 2011 by jazzbo

[felser]

Re: Alice: go for ones not in this series first. Her Verve release, or Her Warner's discs, or the earlier Impulses that are out on earlier cds. THEN go for these if you are pleased. Just my two cents---I love all Alice.

I agree with Lon's sentiment. One of the twofers contains "Huntington Ashram Monastery", which is one of the aforementioned early Impulse's. The very first Alice Coltrane album to get IMO would be "Ptah the El Daoud", which has Pharoah Sanders and Joe Henderson. The next ones would be "Journey in Satchidananda" (with Sanders), "Huntington Ashram Monastery", and "A Monastic Trio", the other early (pre-strings) Impulse! titles. Those titles have a lot of her piano and harp playing, After that come the Warner Bros. titles. "Transfiguration" (a live trio with Workman and Haynes) features a lot of her organ playing, as does the sidelong song that ends "Radha-Krsna Nama Sankirtana". Final recommendation would be her 2004 comeback on Verve/Impulse, "Translinear Light", with her son Ravi and others. She released many other albums, which delve into her string arrangements, vocal chants, etc. Those have their supporters, but I am not one. There are some samplers out on Impulse if you want to try it all at once.

[jazzbo]

I believe Huntington Ashram Monastery has only been on cd from Japan before this new two-fer? Anyway, I agree with your assessment though I must say that i LOVE the orchestrated works. And one cassette release I have that is religious chanting based as well.

[Chuck Nessa]

Anyone considering purchasing The Marion Brown 2 for 1......it is INCOMPLETE.......it leaves out the part 2 of Sweet Earth Flying. CD time constraints.

Shit! I ordered it today.

[jeffcrom]

Anyone considering purchasing The Marion Brown 2 for 1......it is INCOMPLETE.......it leaves out the part 2 of Sweet Earth Flying. CD time constraints.

Shit! I ordered it today.

Part 2 of Sweet Earth Flying has never been released - it was not on the original LP, although presumably it was recorded.