mjzee Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Amazon says release date 7/26/11: Amazon Quote
JSngry Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 What label will this be on? Sonny's never approved of the live album, so unless things have changed (and they well may have).... Quote
MartyJazz Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 What label will this be on? Sonny's never approved of the live album, so unless things have changed (and they well may have).... Shame about Sonny's attitude towards the live album because it's really prime live Newk from the mid '60s and a great rhythm section that includes Tommy Flanagan and two drummers, Billy Higgins and Mickey Roker. I've made a CD-R from my LP copy that I frequently listen to when driving. Quote
king ubu Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 There's a whole run of these twofers coming from Universal over here... so far, word has been out on these: Albert Ayler - Love Cry / The Last Album Art Blakey - Jazz Messengers!!!!! / A Jazz Message Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness / Lord Of Lords Duke Ellington - Meets Coleman Hawkins / And John Coltrane Coleman Hawkins - Today And Now / Desafinado Milt Jackson - Statements / Jazz 'n' Samba Ahmad Jamal - Poinciana Revisited / Freeflight Elvin Jones - Illumination! / Dear John C. Sonny Rollins - On Impulse! / There Will Never Be Another You Pharoah Sanders - Village Of The Pharoahs / Wisdom Through Music Shirley Scott Trio - For Members Only / Great Scott!! Archie Shepp - For Losers / Kwanza Gabor Szabo - The Sorcerer / More Sorcery McCoy Tyner Trio - Inception / Reaching Fourth Too many contain one recently reissued album, alas, combining it with a rarer one (Shepp, Coltrane, Rollins) The Ayler is silly... would have made sense in this case to combine "The Last Album" with the companion album... also "Love Cry" had some fine bonus tracks that will be missing here for time (and "original album" crappity) reasons. Quote
Niko Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 + Curtis Fuller - Soul Trombone / Cabin In The Sky currently, the preorder price is 7,99 Euro on amazon.de , they say it comes out on 24 June over here Quote
sidewinder Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 There's quite a few of these that I don't have - so will be looking out for them at the likes of Fopp for £5. Quote
bertrand Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 If some of these are going to have tracks left off, that's just annoying. Bertrand. Quote
Mark Stryker Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) What label will this be on? Sonny's never approved of the live album, so unless things have changed (and they well may have).... Shame about Sonny's attitude towards the live album because it's really prime live Newk from the mid '60s and a great rhythm section that includes Tommy Flanagan and two drummers, Billy Higgins and Mickey Roker. I've made a CD-R from my LP copy that I frequently listen to when driving. Sonny's attitude about the record is tied closely to his strong feelings of being exploited by Impulse (ABC Paramount). "There Will Never Be Another You" was not released unitl 1978, a decade after his contract ran out. He is quoted in Eric Nisenson's "Open Sky" as saying, "For one thing, I was not paid to do that record. And also it should never have been released, just because I am off mike so much. It was just another example of their gouging more money out of the public by selling them an inferior product." Sonny has often spoken about how he felt strong-armed by the ABC lawyers during his tenure with the label and in an interview I did with Sonny last year in which we talked specifically about the reasons for his disillusionment that led to his second sabbatical, he said he felt bamboozled into signing away the rights to his score for "Alfie." (Sonny was representing himself at the time.) Having said all that, his playing on the "There Will Never Be Another You" concert is incredible. Nisenson writes that Sonny did not know he was being recorded at the Museum of Modern Art, though he doesn't quote Rollins specifically on that point and I have often wondered if this is literally true -- Sonny had no idea there were recording engineers on site? (Perhaps he knew they were there doing something but his understanding was never that they were recording for the market? Just speculating. It is true that he strolled around as he played.) Nisenson uses the fact Sonny ostensibly didn't know he was being taped as another example of the contrast between the uninhibited live Rollins versus the self-conscious Rollins in the studio. There's no doubt this syndrome is part and parcel of Sonny's aesthetic and that the disconnect people began noticing in the '60s turned into a chasm in the 70s and beyond. I just wonder if that's the whole story with this particular concert. Edited June 11, 2011 by Mark Stryker Quote
colinmce Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Too many contain one recently reissued album, alas, combining it with a rarer one (Shepp, Coltrane, Rollins) Agreed ... just not how I would do it. I will, however, get the Elvin Jones. Quote
JSngry Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 FWIW, the cover photo of on impulse! was shot at the MOMA concert that produced There Will Never Be Another You (the title track of which finds Sonny musically countering with "Don't be so sure!"). I have anotehr phot in a book somwhere of the same gig with Sonny semi-hunched down facing both drummers that just reeks of "on the fly". Mark's right - it's a great concert not so greatly recorded, but hey...when Sonny is really on, I don't know that you really have to hear it to feel it... Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Curtis Fuller's Cabin in the Sky seems to have lost a tune. Quote
MartyJazz Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 FWIW, the cover photo of on impulse! was shot at the MOMA concert that produced There Will Never Be Another You (the title track of which finds Sonny musically countering with "Don't be so sure!"). I have anotehr phot in a book somwhere of the same gig with Sonny semi-hunched down facing both drummers that just reeks of "on the fly". Mark's right - it's a great concert not so greatly recorded, but hey...when Sonny is really on, I don't know that you really have to hear it to feel it... Would love to see those photos. As for the art work to "There Will Never Be Another You", never dug it for it represents what Sonny looked like in the early and mid '70s, a decade after the MOMA concert which took place in June '65. Again, the music is fabulous and as for Sonny's wandering on the stage off mike, that occurs primarily during the 2nd half of the concert (side 2 on the LP). Quote
colinmce Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 My absolute #1 pet peeve is that disjunction between pictures on the album jacket and the time period represented on the record. Seems like this was almost exclusively perpetrated during the 1970s (i.e. Miles Davis Prestige two-fers). Quote
king ubu Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 If some of these are going to have tracks left off, that's just annoying. Bertrand. What I meant were GRP/Impulse Master bonus tracks, not actual albums tracks. Universal hasn't done any reissues with bonus material for years now - the LPR series was the end of that, alas. Anyway, I only just see Chuck's comment now as well: Curtis Fuller's Cabin in the Sky seems to have lost a tune. ... and that definitely sucks! Quote
Mark Stryker Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) FWIW, the cover photo of on impulse! was shot at the MOMA concert that produced There Will Never Be Another You (the title track of which finds Sonny musically countering with "Don't be so sure!"). I have anotehr phot in a book somwhere of the same gig with Sonny semi-hunched down facing both drummers that just reeks of "on the fly". Mark's right - it's a great concert not so greatly recorded, but hey...when Sonny is really on, I don't know that you really have to hear it to feel it... Would love to see those photos. As for the art work to "There Will Never Be Another You", never dug it for it represents what Sonny looked like in the early and mid '70s, a decade after the MOMA concert which took place in June '65. Again, the music is fabulous and as for Sonny's wandering on the stage off mike, that occurs primarily during the 2nd half of the concert (side 2 on the LP). I never knew that the cover photo on "On Impulse" was taken at the MOMA concert; I wonder if somebody's original plan might have been for the first Impulse album to be a live record from the concert but then plans shifted, perhaps becasue it was realized that too much was off-mike for a commercial LP (and just to be clear for those who have never heard it, the sound in no way impedes the enjoyment/appreciation of Sonny's genius). I also notice on my LP that Rudy Van Gelder is listed as the recording engineer. If that's true, then going back to a point in my original post, it's unlikely that Sonny literally didn't know tapes were rolling -- Rudy was there with equipment and never said "hi"? Coda 1: Tommy Flanagan also sounds exceptionally good to me, especially on "Three Little Words," where Sonny's pace and inspiration really push him. Coda 2: Among the slew of Sonny's great moments, I really love the sudden key change during his solo on the title tune -- on the fly, indeed! -- and the expansive fours with the drummers on that tune and how Sonny often phrases into or through their bars to finish his ideas. Plus the way he just keeps going and going as the tune evolves, even including a calypso bit near the end of his cadenza and the long final note (circular breathing). Well, it's not quite the final note as the tune starts up again as a "walk off" coda. Coda 3: The liners on the LP include a reprint of a Down Beat review of the concert published in the Aug. 12, 1965 issue. The review says the concert started with "Will You Still Be Mine?" -- "the faint sounds of a tenor saxophone playing "Will You Still Be Mine?" could be heard in the distance ... enthralled listeners turned toward the sound and saw Rollins in a green jacket and blue beret emerge from behind a tree in full musical flight." So, anybody ever heard a recording of that part of the concert which isn't included on the LP? Plus, the record opens in the middle of "Green Dolphin Street." Does an unedited bootleg exist of the whole concert? Edited June 11, 2011 by Mark Stryker Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Yes the MOMA concert was supposed to be Sonny's first Impulse. It rained during the concert and Sonny wandered off mike so they decided to make a studio album instead. Quote
JSngry Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 I thought it looked like it was raining in that picture! Here's the original advance press release, stating that in case of rain, the concert would be cancelled: http://www.moma.org/docs/press_archives/3484/releases/MOMA_1965_0060_59.pdf?2010 Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 When I was interning at MoMA in the archives, I saw this among many other things. The Jazz in the Garden series had some really interesting stuff. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 You can thank Dan Morganstern for that. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Yes indeed. The flyers were pretty cool. I made color copies of some of them, which Brandon Burke now has. Quote
crisp Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 If some of these are going to have tracks left off, that's just annoying. Bertrand. What I meant were GRP/Impulse Master bonus tracks, not actual albums tracks. Universal hasn't done any reissues with bonus material for years now - the LPR series was the end of that, alas. Although the Amazon listings say there are bonus tracks on both the Scott and the Jackson, so who knows? Quote
Eric Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 Nothing that hasn't been posted previously ... http://www.amazon.com/Impulse-2-on-1/lm/R4O8RODBKXJ00 Quote
MartyJazz Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 Yes the MOMA concert was supposed to be Sonny's first Impulse. It rained during the concert and Sonny wandered off mike so they decided to make a studio album instead. Sonny gives a wonderful musical hint to the listener about the rain when he throws in a brief quote of "Stormy Weather" during the opening to "Green Dolphin Street". Works it in beautifully. Quote
king ubu Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 If some of these are going to have tracks left off, that's just annoying. Bertrand. What I meant were GRP/Impulse Master bonus tracks, not actual albums tracks. Universal hasn't done any reissues with bonus material for years now - the LPR series was the end of that, alas. Although the Amazon listings say there are bonus tracks on both the Scott and the Jackson, so who knows? Interesting! The "Love Cry" CD bonus tracks (from the GRP reissue) seem to be there as well! That's good news! Quote
mracz Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Great news about There will never be... I've enjoyed the LP for many years. Any thoughts about the Sanders? I don't know either of them, and his later Impulse! period never inspired me enough to hunt them down either as Japanese CDs or as (pricey) 2nd hand LPs. Also pleased to see Milt Jackson's Statements; I don't know that one, and unless my memory is playing tricks it has Hank Jones on piano, who worked well with Bags (eg the 50's sides with Lucky Thompson). Quote
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