tressel 'resigns'

[alocispepraluger102]

http://www.freep.com/article/20110530/SPORTS08/110530011/Ohio-State-coach-Jim-Tressel-resigns?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

[paul secor]

It would be nice if he'd be the first of many to go. Unfortunately, he'll be back somewhere, sometime.

[alocispepraluger102]

It would be nice if he'd be the first of many to go. Unfortunately, he'll be back somewhere, sometime.

the rewards, pressures, and penalties in these bigtime programs are unreal.

tressel, i am sure, was sick of the culture at osu but hadn't the power or will to control it.

any coach who could control or would control would be quickly dismissed for poor performance.

[jlhoots]

It would be nice if he'd be the first of many to go. Unfortunately, he'll be back somewhere, sometime.

Agree!!

[Dave James]

NCAA football is a mess. If it's not the money hungry BCS, it the scandals that continue to rock individual programs. Seriously, does anyone really believe that Cam Newton wasn't involved in the pay for play gambit at Mississippi State that they managed to pin on his father? Reggie Bush, there's another one. Out here in Oregon, the Ducks are in a bit of hot water over money they paid to a guy in Texas who was able to steer running backs LaMichael James and Lashea Seastrunk to the Duck's program. Further, the exchange of money for commitments within the SEC is so rampant it's just considered a cost of doing business. There's no doubt with the sort of income college football generates it's become very important to the schools themselves and to their identities. The whole thing is completely upside down. And if you think football is bad, take a look at what goes on with high school and college basketball. That whole scene is completely out of control.

With respect to Tressel's abdication, the press release from the OSU athletic director Gene Smith seemed to raise the possibility that there may be more charges coming against the Buckeye's football program. Oh what a tangled web we weave.......

[alocispepraluger102]

NCAA football is a mess. If it's not the money hungry BCS, it the scandals that continue to rock individual programs. Seriously, does anyone really believe that Cam Newton wasn't involved in the pay for play gambit at Mississippi State that they managed to pin on his father? Reggie Bush, there's another one. Out here in Oregon, the Ducks are in a bit of hot water over money they paid to a guy in Texas who was able to steer running backs LaMichael James and Lashea Seastrunk to the Duck's program. Further, the exchange of money for commitments within the SEC is so rampant it's just considered a cost of doing business. There's no doubt with the sort of income college football generates it's become very important to the schools themselves and to their identities. The whole thing is completely upside down. And if you think football is bad, take a look at what goes on with high school and college basketball. That whole scene is completely out of control.

With respect to Tressel's abdication, the press release from the OSU athletic director Gene Smith seemed to raise the possibility that there may be more charges coming against the Buckeye's football program. Oh what a tangled web we weave.......

beautifully stated

[GA Russell]

Steve Spurrier, with the support of a number of SEC coaches, today suggested that the coaches pay the players $300 a game. That comes to $300,000 for the team for the season.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/football/steve-spurrier-others-propose-paying-football-players/article2043469/

[Big Wheel]

That's virtually nothing to most division I programs.

As a Miami Hurricanes fan I take great joy in Tressel's disgrace but it's really long past time we dispensed with the economic charade that is big-name college athletics. Just pay the players fair market wages (which is a lot, a TON more than Spurrier's $300/game) and make it a junior NFL. They ain't learning anything anyway 95% of the time, so stop making them enroll. Universities pay their development offices and food service people and so forth-time to treat their football players as the employees they are.

Edited June 2, 2011 by Big Wheel

[alocispepraluger102]

That's virtually nothing to most division I programs.

As a Miami Hurricanes fan I take great joy in Tressel's disgrace but it's really long past time we dispensed with the economic charade that is big-name college athletics. Just pay the players fair market wages (which is a lot, a TON more than Spurrier's $300/game) and make it a junior NFL. They ain't learning anything anyway 95% of the time, so stop making them enroll. Universities pay their development offices and food service people and so forth-time to treat their football players as the employees they are.

a local exnfl-osu player yesterday stated that the player parking lots for the nfl and major college football look very much alike.

[papsrus]

One of the espn dudes suggested that while college athletes shouldn't be paid directly by their schools (beyond the scholarships they already receive), they shouldn't be prevented from making whatever deals they can on the side. Allow them to do TV commercials and sign endorsement deals, for instance.

[alocispepraluger102]

One of the espn dudes suggested that while college athletes shouldn't be paid directly by their schools (beyond the scholarships they already receive), they shouldn't be prevented from making whatever deals they can on the side. Allow them to do TV commercials and sign endorsement deals, for instance.

score one for student newspapers

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303745304576359741199883706.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[Jim Alfredson]

Student athletes should not be paid. They are already getting much more than their non-athlete classmates.

Unless of course the university wants to start paying every orchestra / choir / music student union rates for each performance given under the school's banner. And paying every student audio/video/computer technician the going rate for their services. Etc. Etc. Then go right ahead.

[Big Wheel]

Student athletes should not be paid. They are already getting much more than their non-athlete classmates.

Unless of course the university wants to start paying every orchestra / choir / music student union rates for each performance given under the school's banner. And paying every student audio/video/computer technician the going rate for their services. Etc. Etc. Then go right ahead.

I would be OK with that, though let's face it, the amount an orchestra makes the university is effectively zero compared with the average D I-A football program. Most college football players may be dickish meatheads but they are still effectively getting exploited by a system that makes millions of dollars off them for universities while requiring them to risk injury for no pay. Your average university endowment fund manager makes in the high six to seven figures for the money he brings to the university by being a spreadsheet jockey all day and making smart investments. College athletes are also the source of huge amounts of revenue and yet make nothing.

But to me the most realistic way to handle this isn't to pay student-athletes - it's to stop making them be students. Let them take a class or two if they want for free just like employees can at many universities.

[Chuck Nessa]

Just stop the whole deal and let the professional teams pay for "the minors".

[Big Wheel]

That would make the most sense of all but it's never going to happen. No way the NCAA and individual universities would ever give up this cash cow at this point.

[Chuck Nessa]

Well then let's shoot 'em.

[.:.impossible]

I think college football is at it's tipping point, or damned close. It has blown up beyond belief. Everyone gets a piece except for the players. You know what I meant... students.

College orchestra/choir/etc. not so much. What's the actual comparison there? AV Technicians? Am I missing it?

[Chicago Expat]

Well, I think something that differentiates the athletes, say, from the band musicians or lab techs for instance, is that there really isn't a degree in football or basketball. Most of these athletes are going for a degree in something other than the sport they participate in and thus the demands of a major sports program is taking them away from the classroom and their degree, whereas a band musician is probably majoring in music and being in the school band is furthering their degree and career. Same with a lab tech getting a resume builder and that it probably touches on their field of study.

I think for every year that an athlete plays their sport for the school, they should be given credit for one full year free ride at the same university at any time in their life. That way, the time they have to spend away from the classroom because of their sport, they can get the "value" of that academic year down the road. This would be especially valuable for those athletes who are unable to get or sustain a pro career and have to start over in a sense. It would give them the chance for an education that many larger programs don't give the luxury of while the athlete is an active member of the team.

Edited June 4, 2011 by Chicago Expat

[Chuck Nessa]

and they get a masters for....

we just need to stop this crap.