Miles BLACK BEAUTY Show now @ Wolfgang's Vault

[JSngry]

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/miles-davis/concerts/fillmore-west-april-10-1970.html?utm_source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110527

I mean, they even cop to it, straight up:

This is the Fillmore West show that would ultimately be released as Black Beauty in 1973.

So, how does this work?

[jazzbo]

I think that it has to be legit. Probably something in the contract for performances that Bill has rights as well?

[bertrand]

Thanks for the warning. I have the CD.

Bertrand.

[CJ Shearn]

Thanks for the warning. I have the CD.

Bertrand.

Same.

[jazzbo]

I bet the Vault version doesn't have some of the weird channel swapping mixing going on in the cd and lp. Might be a better listen.

[Rooster_Ties]

I bet the Vault version doesn't have some of the weird channel swapping mixing going on in the cd and lp. Might be a better listen.

Somebody with both, please check. That'd be interesting to know if their source isn't the actual release.

[JSngry]

Did Columbia record the show themselves, have a crew in?

[jazzbo]

I'd say Yes, as Stan Tonkel, an engineer on MANY Columbia sessions, mostly studio, is the credited engineer.

So the Vault's is possibly different.

[JSngry]

Thanks. My copy is entirely in Japanese, so I wouldn't be able to tell Stan Tonkel from Willie Wonka...

Which raises the question...is different source tapes a possible loophole for WV? Surely not...

[jazzbo]

Jim, according to this article put out when downloads were first released, it seems that the Vault has attempted to be legal:

http://www.billboard.com/news/wolfgang-s-vault-opening-entire-concert-1004016989.story#/news/wolfgang-s-vault-opening-entire-concert-1004016989.story

[JSngry]

Yeah, I'm hip to that, & have bought from them with a clear conscience, will still continue to do so. This just seems really weird, though, releasing a show that's already been released commercially & still remains available.

Oh, well, these days, who knows what the legalities are? It's a changing landscape, to be sure.

[jazzbo]

I haven't used them for anything, but I'm sure this isn't the only example. Probably Dead shows, Cream, etc.

I think the record company would say "Hey, we'll take the money either way, through the download or from the cd." Why not?

And I just looked and it appears as if the cd is not really in print at the moment in the states. And Amazon is selling a download.

It's an interesting time for music fans.

Edited May 29, 2011 by jazzbo

[JSngry]

No longer in print as a domestic? Wow, that really didn't last very long, did it....

Did it have liner notes, the American release?

[PHILLYQ]

Mine(US release) has notes by Chick Corea.

[CJ Shearn]

It was in print a good 13 years or so. I have a copy that I got a while ago but I still see "Black Beauty", "At Fillmore East" (traded it cuz the complete shows sans edits are somewhere) "In Concert" frequently at my local CD shop around here.

[bertrand]

My copy was a Japanese pressing I got in a Borders' bargain bin for $11.

Bertrand.