David Ayers Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I've got the texts, thank you. I thought lack of texts was a beef of yours? And I imagine Gurre-Lieder is on your list of late-romantic gigantism - a cut or two above anything by Zemlinsky I'd have thought.... Edited January 27, 2013 by David Ayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Make sure you get those texts. I always like to sing along with Schoenberg. Maybe you can record your sing-along and issue a "commented version"? I'm sure the texts will be easier to understand with your voice added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarThrower Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 That Boulez/Schoenberg covers a lot of ground. It will be a pity if it doesn't include texts. There won't be a booklet in that set. There aren't in any of those cheap Sony boxes. I've already got about 6 of the 11 CDs so I'll be skipping that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I've got the texts, thank you. I thought lack of texts was a beef of yours? And I imagine Gurre-Lieder is on your list of late-romantic gigantism - a cut or two above anything by Zemlinsky I'd have thought.... Apologies, David. My comment was intended as a bit of light-hearted silliness. Wasn't intended any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 He was conducting the BBC Symphony Orchestra in those recordings Finally dug up the shoebox from under piles of other classical discs ... All of discs one, two and six is in the box only with the NBC Orchestra, Debussy's "La Mer" with the NBC and Philadelphia Orchestras. Not sure about disc three, some of it may be on Volume 72 (a 2CD set with the BBC Symphony Orchestra) in the box. Those two discs also contain the Beethoven Symphonies 1, 4, and 6, but not Symphony No. 7 (discs four and five of the ICON). I guess most of discs three to five is the overlap, while some of those and all of discs one, two and six is not in the big box. But still I don't really see the need for owning this new EMI box, too ... if there's any piece not part of the big box, it must be hidden among the overtures and show pieces on disc three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I guess what I think about the Boulez set is (a) I have a lot and (b) he has re-recorded some in better sound. Lack of texts is a problem for those who care as so many of the works are text-based (Gurre-Lieder, Moses und Aaron, the many choral works, Die Jakobsleiter, Die Glueckliche Hand, Erwaertung, Pierrot Lunaire, Ode to Napoleon). It's OK Bev I knew you were joking. I think *this* set is one of those where lack of texts would make a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) If music has texts then it really should be accessible. In this day and age that doesn't need to be in the box - online links do the job if it's too expensive to do otherwise. For me it's most important in opera because you are essentially following a storyline there. I can't listen to opera as abstract music. (I realise copyright can often be the reason) Edited January 28, 2013 by A Lark Ascending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Klaus Tennstedt: The Great EMI Recordings -- £13.73 for 14 discs at Amazon UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Klaus Tennstedt: The Great EMI Recordings -- £13.73 for 14 discs at Amazon UK. I've had this for about a year -- some really great stuff. I also like the Sir John Barbirolli set, though it costs a bit more per disc. Amazon UK or Amazon.com (some good reseller prices, however). Edited February 2, 2013 by ejp626 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Goren. Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Klaus Tennstedt: The Great EMI Recordings -- £13.73 for 14 discs at Amazon UK. I've had this for about a year -- some really great stuff. I also like the Sir John Barbirolli set, though it costs a bit more per disc. Amazon UK or Amazon.com (some good reseller prices, however). Thanks ejp626 for the Barbiolli recommendation. Order placed. Edited February 2, 2013 by B. Goren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 The Barbirolli is much cheaper on amazon.fr and even cheaper on amazon.es http://www.amazon.es/Great-Emi-Recordings-John-Barbirolli/dp/B0031IHBCSDon't have it myself ... been considering it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 19th Century Masterpieces boxed set (EMI): £19.38 for 17 discs; about £1.14 a disc. Track listing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 more upcoming Sony/BMG sets: http://www.amazon.de/Colin-Davis-Conducts-Sibelius/dp/B00AK3X33I/ http://www.amazon.de/Yo-Yo-Plays-Concertos-Sonatas-Suites/dp/B00AK3X306/ http://www.amazon.de/Evgeny-Kissin-Plays-Chopin/dp/B00AK3X3LK/ http://www.amazon.de/Isaac-Stern-Plays-Mozart/dp/B00AL6SN5W/ http://www.amazon.de/Pinchas-Zukerman-Beethoven-Violin-Sonatas/dp/B00AL6SMX0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 more upcoming Sony/BMG sets: http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AK3X33I/ http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AK3X306/ http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AK3X3LK/ http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AL6SN5W/ http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AL6SMX0/ Thanks. Hard to keep up. Of course, some things that have gone out of print are unaccountably still OOP (quite a bit of Perlman actually and I wonder if some of his early recordings are ready for one of these slimline boxes). I don't really need any of these, but I might go for the Yo-Yo Ma and possibly the Stern-Mozart box. I think I have enough Sibelius that I will pass on the Colin Davis-Sibelius set unless it gets incredible raves and I can get it incredibly cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Skip the Davis-Sibelius. I had all the singles and gave then away. His earlier set with Boston is much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I guess I'll go for the Perlman, Stern and Zukerman ... will have to investigate Kapell ... and if I ever want to dig into more Schönberg, give some thought. I assume the Boulez/Schönberg is a repacking of these two (of which Vol. I is OOP and expansive): http://www.amazon.de/Pierre-Boulez-Edition-Schönberg-I/dp/B002N2NDY8/ http://www.amazon.de/Pierre-Boulez-Edition-Schönberg-II/dp/B002N2NDYS/ Readable back-covers: Would those have contained texts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Skip the Davis-Sibelius. I had all the singles and gave then away. His earlier set with Boston is much better. Thanks for the input. I do like the Early Recordings box that EMI just put out. In addition to standard fare like Mozart and Beethoven, you get some unusual works like Tippett's Piano Concerto (with John Ogdon) and Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 more upcoming Sony/BMG sets: http://www.amazon.de.../dp/B00AK3X306/ So this is what Amazon.jp (and Google translate) has to say about the Yo-Yo Ma set: Disc1 Vivaldi: Concerto in G minor for Cello RV531 two Vivaldi: Largo from Winter 2nd movement Four Seasons Violin Concertos No. 4 Vivaldi: RV423 Cello Concerto in B flat major Vivaldi: (from the opera chaste nymph RV714) Staring at my eyes thus Vivaldi: RV540 Concerto for viola d'amore and lute Vivaldi: my glory through the blood (from the opera Giustino RV717) Vivaldi: RV401 Cello Concerto in C minor Vivaldi: You Just Can not Smile It Away (from Yudita of winning oratorio) not be yearning Oh Vivaldi: Do not praise Onmi (from the Gloria RV589) Vivaldi: noble woman than how much (from the oratorio Yudita of victory) Vivaldi: Oh, (more chaste nymph RV714 opera) send said Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra Ton Koopman (conductor) Disc2 · BOCCHERINI: Cello Concerto in B flat major Pinchas Zukerman, St. Paul Chamber Orchestra (conductor) Haydn: Cello Concerto No. 1 in C major Haydn: Cello Concerto No. 2 in D major Jose Luis Garcia English Chamber Orchestra (conductor) Disc3 Schumann: Op.129 Cello Concerto in A minor Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra Colin Davis (conductor) Dvořák: Op.104 Cello Concerto in B minor Dvořák: Op.68-5 Silent Woods Dvořák: Rondo in G minor Op.94 for Cello and Orchestra Lorin Maazel Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra (conductor) Disc4 Saint-Saëns: Cello Concerto No. 1 in A minor - Lalo: Cello Concerto No. 1 in D minor Lorin Maazel Orchestre National de France (conductor) Walton: Cello Concerto Andre Previn London Symphony Orchestra (conductor) Disc5 Elgar: Op.85 Cello Concerto in E minor Andre Previn London Symphony Orchestra (conductor) Shostakovich: Op.107 Cello Concerto No. 1 in E flat major Tchaikovsky: Rococo Variations on a Theme in A major Op.33 Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Lorin Maazel (conductor) Disc6 Bach: Cello Suite No. 1 (recorded in 1982) Bach: Cello Suite No. 3 (recorded in 1982) Bach: Cello Suite No. 5 (recorded in 1982) Disc7 Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 1 Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 3 · WoO.46 Variations on a Theme by men to know the love of "The Magic Flute" Mozart · Op.66 Variations on a Theme by either lover or wife of "The Magic Flute" Mozart Emanuel Ax (P) Disc8 Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 1 Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 2 Schumann: Adagio and Allegro in A major Op.70 change Schumann: Op.73 Pieces fantastic collection Emanuel Ax (P) Yo-Yo Ma (Vc) Years 1981-2004. Generally, an interesting selection. I do find it somewhat strange that we would get 3 of 6 Bach Cello suites. I would guess anyone that really wanted them would already have them, but then for those relatively few that have some interest but haven't rushed out to get them, they would want all 6. Maybe I am off-base though. This doesn't look like it overlaps very much with my collection, so that's good at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Glad I pre-ordered the new Van Cliburn at one third the price it's now going for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Of course, some things that have gone out of print are unaccountably still OOP (quite a bit of Perlman actually and I wonder if some of his early recordings are ready for one of these slimline boxes). Well, sure enough Sony is reissuing some Perlman recordings, and it appears to be his earlier recordings (as Ubu reported above). I can't find any details at the moment, but I am hoping that at least some of the classic recordings from the Original Jacket Collection are included, since I never picked that up. Edit: Some information here, but a bit confusing at the moment. It appears that the Prokofiev Sonatas are on here, which was one of my main considerations (as I did pre-order). A fair bit of overlap with the OJC set but some reprogramming of pieces onto different CDs. I can't tell at the moment if anything was dropped from that set or indeed if there is anything new. But clearly if you have the Perlman OJC set, you won't need this. Perhaps a bit disappointing is that the kitchy film score recordings with John Williams are in the box as the last CD. I could have lived without that, esp. if it left room for something better. I have been eyeing the complete Van Cliburn and complete Byron Janis sets, but there is so much overlap with what I already have that I just couldn't justify either one. Edited February 6, 2013 by ejp626 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Of course, some things that have gone out of print are unaccountably still OOP (quite a bit of Perlman actually and I wonder if some of his early recordings are ready for one of these slimline boxes). Well, sure enough Sony is reissuing some Perlman recordings, and it appears to be his earlier recordings (as Ubu reported above). I can't find any details at the moment, but I am hoping that at least some of the classic recordings from the Original Jacket Collection are included, since I never picked that up. Edit: Some information here, but a bit confusing at the moment. It appears that the Prokofiev Sonatas are on here, which was one of my main considerations (as I did pre-order). A fair bit of overlap with the OJC set but some reprogramming of pieces onto different CDs. I can't tell at the moment if anything was dropped from that set or indeed if there is anything new. But clearly if you have the Perlman OJC set, you won't need this. Perhaps a bit disappointing is that the kitchy film score recordings with John Williams are in the box as the last CD. I could have lived without that, esp. if it left room for something better. I have been eyeing the complete Van Cliburn and complete Byron Janis sets, but there is so much overlap with what I already have that I just couldn't justify either one. Prokofiev violin sonatas are among my favorite pieces of music. I heard probably close to a dozen versions of them, and this is my favorite one, by two obscure musicians: http://www.amazon.com/Violin-Sonatas-Prokofiev/dp/B000003W6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360190671&sr=8-1&keywords=hardy+prokofiev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 coming up on DG, can't find any details on their site yet: The John Eliot Gardiner Collection, 30CD, amazon.de pre-order EUR 62,99 could be mighty good, no? all I have is what's in the DG Baroque box (mainly Monteverdi's wonderful "Orfeo", but also some Schütz, Bach etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 In fact the track listing of the Gardiner set is on the DG site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 In fact the track listing of the Gardiner set is on the DG site. I looked through his discography and tried a google search - both with no luck. I never find anything on that site ... could you post a link, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 You might be right - I must have seen it here: http://www.mdt.co.uk/gardiner-john-eliot-the-collection-70th-birthday-deutsche-grammophon-30cds.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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