Chalupa Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Why didn't the Sox/Yankees target Ubaldo Jimenez? Great pick up for the Tribe. Quote
Dave James Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Why didn't the Sox/Yankees target Ubaldo Jimenez? Great pick up for the Tribe. I think both teams were in the mix but felt that the Rockies were asking too much. At one point, Colorado wanted the Yankees top three pitching prospects (Nova, Banuelos and Betances) and their highest rated position player, Jesus Montero. That seems like way more than they wound up getting from the Indians, which makes me wonder what went on at the 11th hour. Oh well, like I said a few posts ago, if the Yanks think they can stand pat and still make a run at the World Series, they are sadly mistaken. One other thought. If the Yankees do wind up making a play for Bedard, I cannot be held accountable for my actions. Edited July 31, 2011 by Dave James Quote
Quincy Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Why didn't the Sox/Yankees target Ubaldo Jimenez? Great pick up for the Tribe. It's great to see them adding this time of year rather than selling. While not featuring the best records both Central divisions have the most interesting races. Quote
BERIGAN Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Why didn't the Sox/Yankees target Ubaldo Jimenez? Great pick up for the Tribe. It's great to see them adding this time of year rather than selling. While not featuring the best records both Central divisions have the most interesting races. And the Pirates have picked up Derrek Lee...Remind me again how many of us were predicting the Pirates and Indians being buyers at the deadline??? At least for now, the Rich Harden deal is off http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/red-sox-closing-in-on-deal-for-rich-harden.html Edited July 31, 2011 by BERIGAN Quote
JSngry Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) There's always a lot of bullshit in the rumorsphere, but some of the ones I heard today bundle up into this narrative - Ubaldo is broken, the Yankees demanded a physical before the trade, a demand the Rockies refused. Then Cashman came back with a package that included Phil Hughes, after which the Rockies basically said Fuck The Yankees & called Cleveland in accelerated mode, getting the deal done, although not in time to prevent Ubaldo from taking his turn in the rotation and pitching an inning - yes, one inning, last night. That was just plain weird... Although we face the Inidans at home next weekend, and I'd just as soon not face a healthy and rejuvenated Ubaldo, I sincerely hope that he is not broken and that he goes on to a long and illustrious career. His license-plate commercial on MLB TV is one of the stealthiest - and funniest - commentaries on The Next America seen to date! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pwoqliogcs Edited July 31, 2011 by JSngry Quote
JSngry Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 At one point, Colorado wanted the Yankees top three pitching prospects (Nova, Banuelos and Betances) and their highest rated position player, Jesus Montero. That seems like way more than they wound up getting from the Indians... This guy might think otherwise... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/cliff_corcoran/07/31/jimenez-trade/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1 Quote
ghost of miles Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I'm really glad NY didn't give away the farm (literally) for Ubaldo; I'd rather see us take our longshot chances at going the distance in the playoffs this year. Yes, it's a bit of a ramshackle staff after CC, esp. with Colon not being as sharp as he was before the hamstring injury--and Phil Hughes is not looking good at all. Glad, otoh, to see Ivan Nova possibly back in the rotation. If NY has to go into October with a CC/Colon/Burnett/Garcia-or-Nova rotation, so be it; I'm pessimistic that adding Ubaldo would be enough to stop the Bosox anyway, if they keep hitting like they have been for almost all of the season. Like Dan said, anything can happen in October, plus the road to Boston will most likely run through Texas, and with or without Cliff Lee, that's a real challenge for the Yankees, as last October proved; right now such a series would be a complete toss-up, esp. with the Rangers just having bolstered their bullpen. (Am I right, that if the Yanks are the wild-card coming out of the AL East that they'd again face the Western division winner?) What about that first inning last night in Game 2 of the doubleheader, btw? Geez, guys, save some for the rest of the season! Quote
Dan Gould Posted July 31, 2011 Author Report Posted July 31, 2011 At least for now, the Rich Harden deal is off http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/red-sox-closing-in-on-deal-for-rich-harden.html This I find remarkable. Given his history, and the fact that his contract ends in two months, what could possibly be in the medicals to make the Red Sox back off? Its a rental, with a known-to-be-highly-fragile pitcher. Its not taking on the remainder of a three year contract. WTF????? Glad, otoh, to see Ivan Nova possibly back in the rotation. Did I miss something or isn't this simply a matter of a make-up doubleheader requiring a spot starter? I don't think Nova is back in the rotation, and it will probably take a few more shitty Hughes starts for that to change. If NY has to go into October with a CC/Colon/Burnett/Garcia-or-Nova rotation, so be it; I'm pessimistic that adding Ubaldo would be enough to stop the Bosox anyway, if they keep hitting like they have been for almost all of the season. Ubaldo's value isn't just shoring up the rotation for the stretch drive, he'd be under team control for two or three more years, a solid starter to potentially ease the transition of those two prospects, assuming they make it to NY, and maybe keep the Garcias and Colons away from the Yankee rotation, as well as they've pitched this year. (Am I right, that if the Yanks are the wild-card coming out of the AL East that they'd again face the Western division winner?) If you presume that the winner of the East has the best record in the league (a very fair assumption) and that the central division champion has the worst, then yes the second-best division champion hosts the wild-card if the wild-card comes from the division with the best record. But remind me again why the rules say that? Why shouldn't two such teams go head-to-head and get one of them out of there? I swear its an "AL East" exception to the standard that a wild-card faces the best team in any normal seeding of playoff rounds. They knew that the two best teams would be more likely to come from the East, two of the biggest markets and one of the biggest rivalries, so no-no-no we can't have them meet in the first round, gotta have it in the LCS if it happens. Quote
Tim McG Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Orlando Cabrera to the Giants for a minor league OF'er. A 15-year vet who bats .244 and plays SS. We will see what he can add to the team. Now then, would somebody PLEASE take Barry Zito off our hands? Grrrrr Quote
Chalupa Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Bourne to Braves. Bedard to Red Sox. Ludwick to Pirates. Quote
jlhoots Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Brewers now 11 games above .500. Will see if they can shake the Cardinals. Quote
Dan Gould Posted July 31, 2011 Author Report Posted July 31, 2011 One other thought. If the Yankees do wind up making a play for Bedard, I cannot be held accountable for my actions. Since the Red Sox ended up giving up a pretty nice CF prospect from Taiwan, and their most defensively advanced catching prospect for that waste of space, can I be relieved of accountability for my actions? I can understand if they thought Bedard's stuff was fine on Friday night, just rusty. He was supposedly touching 94 and broke off a few nice curves. But he hates the spotlight. He hates the press. He hates everything about baseball outside of the paycheck, as far as I know. How can they think he'd thrive for even two + months in Boston in a pennant race? I'd love to eat my hat on this one but I'll be shocked if he doesn't break down or crack up. Quote
Quincy Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Bourne to Braves. Bedard to Red Sox. Ludwick to Pirates. It's been a flurry! I know a couple of Astro fans in person and then we have Aggie here - boy, I feel for you guys. Oh man, that's sad, having a Mariner fan "feel for you." Sorry about that. I am curious to check the depth chart to see who's in the OF and what the batting order will be. It's wild to see the Pirates adding as Berigan referred to earlier. I love it though - such a great history in the franchise and they have one of the more beautiful views for fans of the bridges & city, yet they've never had a good team since the park (I'm blanking on the name - can we just call it 3 Rivers 2? ) was built. It'd be fun to see it on the TV come playoff time (unless you're a Brewer fan.) The M's send Fister to Detroit & Bedard to Boston, and the rookie Pineda will likely be shut down soon. So days like what's happening versus Tampa (7-0 thru 6) will just keep comin'. Ah well, keep on rebuilding, fire another manager, rebuild again, fire the manager... Edited July 31, 2011 by Quincy Quote
Dan Gould Posted July 31, 2011 Author Report Posted July 31, 2011 For all of the worrying about how Salty and 'Tek would handle the stick, I'd have to say those fears were misplaced. SaltyTek: 23 2B 16 HR 56 RBI OPS around 760, overall OPS+ well above 100 ('Tek is at 98, so he's barely less than league-average, and Salty is at 113) However you calculate it, that's turned out to be great production from the catcher position. And their combined caught-stealing rate is 26%, a 24% improvement over the 21% that Tek and Martinez put up in 2010. I wouldn't mind one more year of Salty/Tek but my guess is that Theo may let the Captain go and bring up Ryan Lavarnway who in 45 games at Pawtucket is scorching AAA pitching to the tune of a 1.113 OPS. Personally I'd like to see him finish his development with a full year at AAA - he's only 23. But SaltyTek is a pretty good catcher. Quote
Dave James Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 One other thought. If the Yankees do wind up making a play for Bedard, I cannot be held accountable for my actions. Since the Red Sox ended up giving up a pretty nice CF prospect from Taiwan, and their most defensively advanced catching prospect for that waste of space, can I be relieved of accountability for my actions? I can understand if they thought Bedard's stuff was fine on Friday night, just rusty. He was supposedly touching 94 and broke off a few nice curves. But he hates the spotlight. He hates the press. He hates everything about baseball outside of the paycheck, as far as I know. How can they think he'd thrive for even two + months in Boston in a pennant race? I'd love to eat my hat on this one but I'll be shocked if he doesn't break down or crack up. With that offense to hide behind, I'm not sure you and I couldn't pitch effectively in Boston. 7-8 runs a game can cure a multitude of ills, including the limelight. Quote
Chalupa Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Welcome to the 10K loss club Atlanta Braves. Quote
ghost of miles Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Did I miss something or isn't this simply a matter of a make-up doubleheader requiring a spot starter? I don't think Nova is back in the rotation, and it will probably take a few more shitty Hughes starts for that to change. Tha't why I said "possibly." And I think it is quite possible that Nova will replace Hughes, sooner rather than later, if Hughes doesn't improve. Ubaldo's value isn't just shoring up the rotation for the stretch drive, he'd be under team control for two or three more years, a solid starter to potentially ease the transition of those two prospects, assuming they make it to NY, and maybe keep the Garcias and Colons away from the Yankee rotation, as well as they've pitched this year. I still wouldn't want to see us give up Montero and 2-3 other top prospects (Banuelos, Betances, etc.), which is apparently what was being discussed. Edited August 1, 2011 by ghost of miles Quote
GA Russell Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Here's a NYT article about deadline trades that some here might enjoy with fond recollections. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/when-baseball-deadline-deals-go-horribly-wrong/article2115894/singlepage/#articlecontent Quote
BERIGAN Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Welcome to the 10K loss club Atlanta Braves. Very exclusive club! Well, part of me really wanted to see the Braves get Hunter Pence, (and she Jason Heyward relearn to hit in AAA) but Michael Bourne is arguably the best leadoff hitter in the game right now, and about the best base stealer in baseball (at least the most consistent) So, braves have solved their leadoff hole that has existed since Furcal left...So both teams addressed their biggest problems...still don't think we can catch your team though.... Quote
Chalupa Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Bourn was an excellent pick up. He's having a great season. The East is gonna be close. I just don't want to have to play the Giants. They have our number. Quote
Dan Gould Posted August 1, 2011 Author Report Posted August 1, 2011 Buchholz out for the season with stress fracture in back? Looks like we're going to have to put an awful lot of pressure on the narrow, unwilling shoulders of Erik Bedard. Can you make the post-season and win it all with two starters? Refresh my memory - how did Spahn and Sain and pray for rain work out in the end? I know how Hurst and Clemens and the rest are lemons worked out ... Quote
JSngry Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Refresh my memory - how did Spahn and Sain and pray for rain work out in the end? They made it to the Series. Quote
Dave James Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 That's a shame about Buchholz. Hopefully, there aren't any lingering, long-term career threatening ramifications associated with this. Just goes to show you once again, that the human body was not designed for throwing overhand. Quote
ghost of miles Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Lester, Beckett, and the Boston offense are definitely enough to get them through the postseason in fine style. Quote
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