jonathanhorwich Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Dear All, Thank you so much for your observations on what to reissue. Okay let me focus in for a minute. Let's now narrow in to classics only. The criterion for reissue is that the performance must be considered a true classic or a very important or influential performance by the person writing to the forum, and must not have been issued on CD or is no longer available on CD. Example from my view is Bill Dixon Intents and Purposes, or Julius Hemphill Dogon A.D, or Jeremy Steig Flute Fever (best jazz flute playing I have heard not to mention Denny Zeitlin is as good as it gets on straight ahead piano), maybe Joe Daley at Newport (if for no other reason than the astounding performance of bassist Russell Thorne). That kind of thing. There aren't that many classic performances or killer performances that had real influence that are not out on CD. There are many fine performances not out on CD. But let's notch it up to classics or at least killer performances. The above are my picks from my view as a member of this forum. I'm very excited to see what other members might come up with. Jonathan Edited March 31, 2011 by JLH Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Tyrone Washington -- "Roots" (Perception, 1973) Never been on CD -- a real damn shame, only overshadowed by the fact that '16-Aug-1968' has never been on anything. Quote
Head Man Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Example from my view ....., is Julius Hemphill Dogon A.D, Just as a matter of interest (to me at least), why has Dogon A.D. never had a proper, official release? Edited March 31, 2011 by Head Man Quote
bertrand Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Tyrone Washington -- "Roots" (Perception, 1973) Never been on CD -- a real damn shame, only overshadowed by the fact that '16-Aug-1968' has never been on anything. There are rumors it's been on a CD-R Bertrand. Quote
soulpope Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 PHIL WOODS - LIVE AT MONTREUX - PIERRE CARDINReggie Workman: The Works of Workman Denon YX 7539 (LP) Jpn June 3, 10, &12, 1978 Nippon Columbia's 1st Studio Tokyo, Japan Visitation I Can't Get Started Take the "A" Train Samba De Orfeu Effrie Quote
soulpope Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 MARTIAL SOLAL MOVABILITY MPS (G) DC 228 606 [LP] 1976.04.2 Duo with NHØP SUITE FOR TRIO MPS (G) 0068.201 [LP] 1978.02.27-28, Villingen, Black Forest, Germany Trio with NHØP (b) and Humair (d). Quote
Joe Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 A couple of large group classics from the 1970s that remain sadly out of circulation... Roswell Rudd's NUMATIK SWING BAND http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numatik_Swing_Band And Clifford Thornton's GARDENS OF HARLEM http://www.discogs.com/Clifford-Thornton-Jazz-Composers-Orchestra-The-Gardens-Of-Harlem/release/604664 Quote
JSngry Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 A couple of large group classics from the 1970s that remain sadly out of circulation... Roswell Rudd's NUMATIK SWING BAND http://en.wikipedia....atik_Swing_Band And Clifford Thornton's GARDENS OF HARLEM http://www.discogs.c.../release/604664 Yeah, the JCOA stuff needs to be more widely available. Not sure what the legal hurdles are, though... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Seconded/thirded.I'm going to just throw another one in the ring for a 3-CD box of Marion Brown's 1970s Impulse LPs/related material. That music is essential and needs reevaluation. I think they've been out on CD in Japan, but a Mosaic Select or similar style box for the broader market would be much appreciated and quite valued. Quote
Chalupa Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 A box of the JCOA would be most welcome. How many records did they put out on that label, 6? 7 maybe? I'd still vote for Ric Colbeck's The Sun is Coming Up. Never on CD. Killer date. Quote
jazzbo Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 I stand by my request for A Drum Is a Woman, expanded. I think that's a classic session. Quote
GA Russell Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Sam Rivers - Sizzle I am not aware of it having been issued on CD. Amazon has a used LP available for $89.99. Quote
medjuck Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 And "African Herbs". (Though I'm not sure I'd claim it's a classic.) Quote
Hot Ptah Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 I think that Gary Mc Farland's "Profiles" qualifies. Quote
paul secor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) The Rev. Robert Wilkins LP on Piedmont I mentioned on the other thread is, by any standards, a GREAT record. It can stand with - and probably above - any of the recordings done by the blues performers who were rediscovered in the 1960's - John Hurt, Son House, Bukka White, Skip James. To my ears, it's better than his early recordings and, in saying that, I'm not knocking those. I don't know what's a classic, outside of Louis' best, Ellington's best, Pres' best, Bird's best, etc. That said, here are some others for consideration: Al Francis, John Neves, Joe Hunt: Jazz Bohemia Revisited (Lost Cosmic Unity) - As far as I know, Al Francis only recorded this one and New Ideas, under Don Ellis' name. He was a vibist, like Walt Dickerson, who played outside the norm and had his own music going. A classic - I don't know, but I'm very happy I have this in my collection. Roswell Rudd/Giorgio Gaslini: Sharing (Dischi Della Quercia) - Fine playing by both, and one that seems to have slipped under the radar. Bucky Pizzarelli with Bud Freeman: Buck and Bud (Flying Dutchman) - Just the two of them on more than half of the album, joined by a rhythm section on the rest, and some very fine late Bud Freeman. Muhal Richard Abrams: Lifea Blinec (Arista Novus)- There's a lot of Muhal Richard Abrams out there, but this has been out of print for a long time - never issued on CD as far as I know -and I think it's a fine record. Adolphus "Doc" Cheatham (Jezebel) - A two record set issued in 1973, before Doc Cheatham had begun a career revival. Some of the best Doc Cheatham I've heard. And, whether or it's a classic or not, I'd still buy a copy of Art Hodes/Truck Parham: Plain Old Blues that I mentioned in the other thread. I do consider the Rev. Robert Wilkins recording to be a classic. The Al Francis is unique - the only recording issued under his own name, and one of only two recordings by him. The Rudd/Gaslini, Freeman/Pizzarelli, Abrams, and Doc Cheatham recordings contain very fine playing by great artists and have all been o/p for some time. It looks like you're getting more of what you got on the first thread on this one. Sorry for my part in that. If I had to narrow it down, I'd recommend the Rev. Robert Wilkins and the Al Francis, with the Doc Cheatham behind those two (but still very worthy of reissue). edited to fix the typo Larry picked up. Edited April 1, 2011 by paul secor Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Al Francis, John Neves, Joe Hunt: Jazz Bohemia Revisited (Lost Cosmic Unity) - As far as I know, Al Francis only recorded this one and New Ideas, under Don Ellis' name. He was a vibist, like Walt Dickerson, who played outside the norm and had his own music going. A classic - I don't know, but I'm very happy I have this in my collection. I love this record. Reviewed it for the Chicago Tribune when it came out (knowing of Francis from "New Ideas"), and IIRC talked to him a bit on the phone at the time. I vaguely recall some YouTube clips of Francis from maybe ten years further on, playing a concert with a group that included Jack Walrath. Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Clips of Francis with Walrath (and other stuff by Francis can be found in YouTube): Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, you can't really ask people on a jazz forum to narrow something down. I often ask myself whether just because something's rare and musically awesome, does it need to be reissued? That's why I stopped doing the "Reissue This" column for Paris Transatlantic. Not to mention that it started to feed into the share-bloggers' scene, which as useful as that can sometimes be for temporarily filling gaps, is also a big part of why I am so unsure about the viability of reissuing certain things outside a deluxe form. Most older stuff that people want - and how people listen to music is certainly less object-oriented today than it was even five years ago - is downloadable. The Dixon looks and sounds great - as do Nessa's recent single and double-disc projects. These are both rare instances. As a record collector as well as a critic, this is kind of ironic, but in my mind it is really hard to justify spending the money on reissuing most lesser-known dates. This goes for people doing labels as well as consumers. Do 1,000 people NEED to hear the Ric Colbeck record? As fine as that record is (and I've sung its praises many times), reissuing it at this point seems kind of absurd. Three of the four participants are dead and the record is easily downloadable. If you have $50 to spare, you can buy the original - it comes around on eBay. I agree with Paul - most of the "classics" are out (or have been out) already, and the rest... are just good records. Now, unheard/unissued music from the archives is another story for another thread. Sorry to be cynical about this, but unless it's something really cornerstone that one is prepared to do right (or it's really stunning material that's never been out in any form), I'm all for putting money behind the next young(er) player's project. Hooray for the next fifty years, as Anthony Braxton might say. Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 And, whether or it's a classic or not, I'd still buy a copy of Art Hodes/Truck Perham: Plain Old Blues that I mentioned in the other thread. That's Truck Parham. And a lovely record. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Example from my view is Bill Dixon Intents and Purposes, or Julius Hemphill Dogon A.D, or Jeremy Steig Flute Fever (best jazz flute playing I have heard not to mention Denny Zeitlin is as good as it gets on straight ahead piano), maybe Joe Daley at Newport (if for no other reason than the astounding performance of bassist Russell Thorne). I'd like to add that I'm 100% behind increased visibility of the Carter/Bradford Quartet music through reissue. That music is very, very important. Quote
paul secor Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 And, whether or it's a classic or not, I'd still buy a copy of Art Hodes/Truck Perham: Plain Old Blues that I mentioned in the other thread. That's Truck Parham. And a lovely record. Typo. Got it right on my first post - Reissue No. 1 thread. The fact that you praise it makes me want to hear it all the more. Quote
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