Barry Bonds On Trial

[JSngry]

No quibbles there, but if a hot dog is within reach and a sausage is not, hey, I'll gnarf the dog and not think twice of it.

[Tim McG]

Tell me, do you always know what your doctor injects you with? For myself, I take two injections a week for my allergies. I haven't the foggiest notion what is in those shots. All I know is my doctor proscribed them to combat allergies.

I hate to be the one to break the news, but there's about a 99% chance that your allergy medications contain steroids. My advice to you would be that you ask no further questions. I mean, why would anyone want to know what someone was shooting into their body...especially if the person administering the injections wasn't a physician or even a medical professional? If Bonds didn't ask those questions, then they should drop the perjury charges immediately and arrest him for stupidity.

Then you would be 100% wrong. The shots do not contain steroids. These are shots to develope immunity so that I can tolerate pollens. It is a two year process. No muscle gain, either.

So you check for each and every ingredient in the meds you are given by the doctor....really? I find that very hard to believe.

Why have a plain old nasty hot dog, when you can have a spicy sausage? With mustard, or with marinara and mozzarella, a sausage beats a frank in every way imaginable.

Especially the sweet Italian sausage from Claro's.

Yum.

Edited April 5, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[Jazzmoose]

So you check for each and every ingredient in the meds you are given by the doctor....really? I find that very hard to believe.

Really? I thought everyone did this. It's not that difficult to do in the internet age.

[Tim McG]

So you check for each and every ingredient in the meds you are given by the doctor....really? I find that very hard to believe.

Really? I thought everyone did this. It's not that difficult to do in the internet age.

Who said it was difficult? All I said is nobody does this...not even you, I'll bet.

[TedR]

"I haven't the foggiest notion what is in those shots."

"The shots do not contain steroids..........No muscle gain either."

[Dave James]

"I haven't the foggiest notion what is in those shots."

"The shots do not contain steroids..........No muscle gain either."

I was going to leave that inconsistency alone, but as long as you brought it up....

[Brownian Motion]

No quibbles there, but if a hot dog is within reach and a sausage is not, hey, I'll gnarf the dog and not think twice of it.

[Tim McG]

"I haven't the foggiest notion what is in those shots."

"The shots do not contain steroids..........No muscle gain either."

I was going to leave that inconsistency alone, but as long as you brought it up....

What inconsistency?

I have no idea what is IN those shots, Ted/Dave.

Please read what I write, OK?

Edited April 6, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[Tim McG]

Gotta have chili on that 'dog, Boyz.

World Famous Tommy's chili dog w/everything.

Edited April 6, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[Jazzmoose]

So you check for each and every ingredient in the meds you are given by the doctor....really? I find that very hard to believe.

Really? I thought everyone did this. It's not that difficult to do in the internet age.

Who said it was difficult? All I said is nobody does this...not even you, I'll bet.

Nothing I enjoy more than being called a liar.

...edited to remove the kneejerk obscenity.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Jazzmoose

[Dave James]

What inconsistency?

I'm just spitballin' here, but when you say, "I haven't the foggiest notion what is in those shots. The shots do not contain steriods", some might find that inconsistent or even contradictory. On the other hand, if you had said, "I happen to know they don't include steroids, but I'm not sure what else is in them", no problem, Maybe you should read what you write.

[papsrus]

All I said is nobody does this...

Not true.

As a general rule, elite athletes are acutely aware -- or should be -- of exactly what they are putting into their bodies. Health and conditioning aside, one of the obvious reasons for this is that they don't want to accidentally expose themselves to a banned substance.

So when a trainer pulls a syringe out of his bag of goodies and starts singing the praises of the magic potion he's about to inject into your belly button, an elite athlete would have to be a complete moron not to find out exactly what is in that magic potion.

And I'm not talking about memorizing the Periodic Table here. Some simple questions about whether the magic potion includes anything from the list of banned substances should be sufficient. And if the person administering the magic potion isn't qualified or knowledgeable enough to answer those basic but important questions, then they shouldn't be administering injections (or offering magic creams, or whatever).

So, the choices are moron or liar. Ignorance isn't a realistic or believable excuse -- particularly for an elite athlete.

[Jazzmoose]

Okay, now that I'm calmer...

You're a fool if you don't do it. Doctors and hospitals make too many mistakes these days to just blindly take whatever's thrown at you. It should be everyone's practice to check on their medication BEFORE taking a new medication to find out what they're being given, check on possible interactions with other drugs, food, etc.

[Tim McG]

So you check for each and every ingredient in the meds you are given by the doctor....really? I find that very hard to believe.

Really? I thought everyone did this. It's not that difficult to do in the internet age.

Who said it was difficult? All I said is nobody does this...not even you, I'll bet.

Nothing I enjoy more than being called a liar.

...edited to remove the kneejerk obscenity.

Whoa.

Where were you called a liar, Jazzmoose?

Edit: Removing knee-jerk comment about a foot and a mouth.

Edited April 6, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[Tim McG]

Okay, now that I'm calmer...

You're a fool if you don't do it. Doctors and hospitals make too many mistakes these days to just blindly take whatever's thrown at you. It should be everyone's practice to check on their medication BEFORE taking a new medication to find out what they're being given, check on possible interactions with other drugs, food, etc.

Um. Sure thing, Jazzmoose.

Interactions and side-effects are not the same thing as knowing exactly what is in each and every drug you have been given by a licensed physician. The pharmacy gives you interaction/side-effect info when you buy the drugs. Injectables are far more difficult to decifer, content-wise.

You honestly check the pharmaceutical basis for all the drugs you have been given...including injectables? How do you get past the drug patent laws? Don't you trust your own doctor? More importantly, when do you find the time to do all this research?

Edited April 6, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[Jazzmoose]

Where were you called a liar, Jazzmoose?

I give up; you can't even read what you write, apparently. I don't know if it's that your communication skills are that poor, or that you just automatically argue with no concern of what you've said in the past (by the way, that doesn't really work in a written medium), but either way, I'm done.

[Tim McG]

All I said is nobody does this...

Not true.

As a general rule, elite athletes are acutely aware -- or should be -- of exactly what they are putting into their bodies. Health and conditioning aside, one of the obvious reasons for this is that they don't want to accidentally expose themselves to a banned substance.

So when a trainer pulls a syringe out of his bag of goodies and starts singing the praises of the magic potion he's about to inject into your belly button, an elite athlete would have to be a complete moron not to find out exactly what is in that magic potion.

And I'm not talking about memorizing the Periodic Table here. Some simple questions about whether the magic potion includes anything from the list of banned substances should be sufficient. And if the person administering the magic potion isn't qualified or knowledgeable enough to answer those basic but important questions, then they shouldn't be administering injections (or offering magic creams, or whatever).

So, the choices are moron or liar. Ignorance isn't a realistic or believable excuse -- particularly for an elite athlete.

Not exactly.

Athletes check for any banned substances that may be present in any drugs/suppliments they use. That is not quite the same thing as knowing exactly what is in each and every drug they ingest or inject.

[Tim McG]

Where were you called a liar, Jazzmoose?

I give up; you can't even read what you write, apparently. I don't know if it's that your communication skills are that poor, or that you just automatically argue with no concern of what you've said in the past (by the way, that doesn't really work in a written medium), but either way, I'm done.

OK...whatever, Jazzmoose. Geez.

I never called you a liar, nor did I intimate it.

However, I did call into question your claim you know exactly what is in every drug you take. If that is the same as calling you a liar then I do not know what the definition of the word is. Do people make misstatements or mistakes without being a liar? Tell you what, maybe it's time to chill to some nice Jazz tunes. Nobody is attacking you, OK? I recommend a little Horace Parlan Us Three. Great album.

Point of comparison: Bonds claims he did not know steroids were in those shots he got, either.

Edited April 6, 2011 by GoodSpeak

[TedR]

Amazing........Goody called Jazzmoose a liar for the second time but Good's clueless because he didn't write the word "liar". As a self described expert (just wait for the "where did I ever say I was an expert?") in the law, medicine and language, he'll take the bait. He NEEDS the last word. Period.

[Dave James]

I'm out as well. I feel like I'm pushing a peanut up a hill with my nose. We'll just need to agree to disagree. I'm OK with that.

[Van Basten II]

You mean like to make Spaghetti-Os with franks?

I'm all for it!

No, real Spaghetti sauce not cheap stuff , you never heard of a Michigan ?

[JSngry]

You mean like to make Spaghetti-Os with franks?

I'm all for it!

No, real Spaghetti sauce not cheap stuff , you never heard of a Michigan ?

I know that in Ohio they put cinnamon in their chili and then use that for spaghetti sauce, but no, what's a Michigan?

[Van Basten II]

That's a hot dog with a meaty sauce on it, like a spaghetti sauce but you can use other sauces also

Edited April 6, 2011 by Van Basten II

[JSngry]

I'd eat that dog. In a minute.

[Quincy]

I give up; you can't even read what you write, apparently.

That's the best approach. There have been PMs speculating that he's a troll program.