Hardbopjazz Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) I put this CD in my player today. I glanced at the back and noticed something I never paid attention to before. "Please be aware of the short playing time of this compact disc...." I wonder why Fantasy records felt obligated to state this. I scanned the back of the CD and attached it here. Typically records weren't that long back in the 50s. Edited March 16, 2011 by Hardbopjazz Quote
B. Clugston Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Considering the volcanic tempers involved, it's lucky they got 27 minutes on tape. Quote
GA Russell Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 For a long while, this was my favorite Miles album. I suspect that its sales over the decades have been less than Miles' other albums from that period. Quote
B. Clugston Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 For a long while, this was my favorite Miles album. I suspect that its sales over the decades have been less than Miles' other albums from that period. One of my favourites too. The official explanation for the short playing time is because "the recording was cut at 160 lines per inch (instead of the usual 210 to 260 lines per square inch) making the grooves wider and deeper and allowing for more area between the grooves for bass frequencies." Some people suspect it was originally intended as a 10 inch. Quote
Late Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Can a 3" CD hold 27 minutes of music? Would kind of be cool, in a boutique way, if this had only been reissued in that format. I actually have a fair amount of CDs (usually Japanese reissues) that are much shorter than 27 minutes. Anyone here still have any jazz 3" CDs? Quote
mikeweil Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 There are three sessions with both Teddy Charles and Charles Mingus present that I compiled on one CDR - all in a similar mood. Date: January 6, 1955 Location: Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ Label: Prestige Teddy Charles (ldr), J.R. Monterose (ts), Teddy Charles (vib), Charles Mingus (b), Jerry Segal (d) a. 680 Violetta - 3:37 (John Nielson) b. 681 Relaxo Abstracto - 5:23 (Teddy Charles) c. 682 Speak Low - 3:16 (Kurt Weill, Ogden Nash) d. 683 Jay Walkin' - 3:36 (J.R. Monterose) e. 684 The Night We Called It a Day - 2:41 (Matt Dennis, Tom Adair) f. 685 I Can't Get Started - 7:10 (Vernon Duke, Ira Gershwin) Date: July 8, 1955 Location: Audio-Video Recording Co., 730 Fifth Ave., NY Label: Debut Miles Davis (ldr), Miles Davis (t), Britt Woodman (tb), Teddy Charles (vib), Charles Mingus (b), Elvin Jones (d) a. Nature Boy - 6:12 (Eden Ahbez) / arr: Teddy Charles b. Alone Together - 7:13 (Arthur Schwartz, Harold Dietz) / arr: Charles Mingus c. There's No You - 8:01 (Hal Hopper, Tom Adair) / arr: Teddy Charles d. Easy Living - 5:02 (Ralph Rainger, Leo Robin) / arr: Teddy Charles Date: November 12, 1956 Location: NY Label: Atlantic Teddy Charles (ldr), Teddy Charles (vib), Hall Overton (p), Charles Mingus (b), Ed Shaughnessy (d) a. 2188 Laura - 5:00 (David Raksin, Johnny Mercer) b. 2189 Unknown Title c. 2201 When Your Lover Has Gone - 2:27 (Einar A. Swan) d. 2202 Just One Of Those Things - 5:59 (Cole Porter) e. 2203 Blue Greens - 11:39 (Teddy Charles) Quote
medjuck Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Can a 3" CD hold 27 minutes of music? Would kind of be cool, in a boutique way, if this had only been reissued in that format. I actually have a fair amount of CDs (usually Japanese reissues) that are much shorter than 27 minutes. Anyone here still have any jazz 3" CDs? I have an Italian Billie Holiday 3" that came with a not very good book. Also a Sting 3' cd because it has a long version of Up from the Skies with Sting (who I don't particularly like) backed by the Gil Evans band and I'm an Evans completist. Does Frank Zappa count? I have a Zappa 3" too. Quote
sidewinder Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Some people suspect it was originally intended as a 10 inch. My vinyl copyof this one (a 50s UK pressing) is actually a 10" LP. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Can a 3" CD hold 27 minutes of music? Would kind of be cool, in a boutique way, if this had only been reissued in that format. I actually have a fair amount of CDs (usually Japanese reissues) that are much shorter than 27 minutes. Anyone here still have any jazz 3" CDs? No jazz CD3's here (unless you count the Sting "Englishman in New York" CD3 single, with him backed by the Gil Evans Orchestra doing the Hendrix tune "Up From The Skies" as a b-side ). Sounds like CD3's normally will only hold 21 or possibly 24 minutes of music (in the most normal formats), or possibly up to 34 minutes in one extreme (non-standard) format that isn't widely available (and probably wouldn't work with standard players, is my guess). More here... Mini CD - Formats and Mini CD single - Technical Specifications. Quote
Ted O'Reilly Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 I have a few Universal/Verve 3" promo CDs -- a Diana Krall, Jamie Cullum...that sort of thing. Quick Chewy, are they collectable??? Quote
JohnS Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Always enjoyed Blue Moods, something a little special/different about this date. Quote
jazzbo Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Me too. I'd buy a fancy gold disc of this session. To me the something special is the Woodman and Mingus appearances and contributions. This session gets no respect. It was included in a recent 24 bit reissue from Concord, but they dropped one tune to get it to fit on one disc. ARGH! Quote
carnivore Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 I've always liked the Mingus/Woodman sessions as much as anything else Miles did....still have the 10" LP too... Quote
Swinging Swede Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Back in the 12" LP era I heard something about the playing time having to be at least 30 minutes for it to be marketed as an LP. There could be some related observance of a 30-minute rule here. That said, many Argo LPs are around 28-29 minutes - that label was kind of notorious in that regard. Quote
medjuck Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Me too. I'd buy a fancy gold disc of this session. To me the something special is the Woodman and Mingus appearances and contributions. This session gets no respect. It was included in a recent 24 bit reissue from Concord, but they dropped one tune to get it to fit on one disc. ARGH! Why would they need to drop a cut from a 27 minute session? I guess I should give this another listen. I've never liked it that much but haven't heard it in over a decade. Quote
jazzbo Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Well, I was wrong, the latest Concord version reissuing the Prestige "Collectors Items" does have all four selections, though one track is missing on the cd from the original two lp set ("My Old Flame," which is not from this collection.) Going to pull it out and listen to the Blue Moods material. Quote
Pete C Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 Definitely an underrated Miles album. I love the spare sound, and the arrangements, and Teddy Charles. I think they really found a different way to work with Miles' fragile tone that works marvelously. Some of my favorite Miles are the out of the box anomalies, like this and the soundtrack for the Malle film. Quote
colinmce Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 I like it OK. I think it drags a bit. I have a 60s Fantasy reissue that looks like this America edition: Quote
jazzbo Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 It's actually a favorite of mine. Was hoping for a Prestige RVG cd, as I really like those of the Miles Davis dates in the series. Quote
brownie Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 The liner notes of the original Debut release were written by Bill Coss who indicates there was tension before (Miles waited one hour in front of his hotel waiting to be picked up and driven to the recording studio 'which was only two blocks away') and during the session (like 'Mingus was bothering the drummer', '...on one take Miles wandered so far afield that he was completely lost...', '...fortunately another (take) was made'). And that's how some great music was produced. The original LP cover: Quote
paul secor Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 The liner notes of the original Debut release were written by Bill Coss who indicates there was tension before (Miles waited one hour in front of his hotel waiting to be picked up and driven to the recording studio 'which was only two blocks away') and during the session (like 'Mingus was bothering the drummer', '...on one take Miles wandered so far afield that he was completely lost...', '...fortunately another (take) was made'). And that's how some great music was produced. The original LP cover: Volatile personalities tend to cause those sorts of problems. Quote
B. Clugston Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 Great album! Nice arrangements and it's neat to hear Miles in a trumpet/trombone/no piano context. If I were forced to pare down my Miles Davis albums to just five, this would be one of the survivors. Quote
sidewinder Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 My 10" LP version looks like this - Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) IT'S ON SPOTIFY. I'M RECORDING IT NOW. ARE THERE JUST 8 SELECTIONS ON THE VINYLS? ABOUT 15 ARE LISTED ON THE TITLE INCLUDING SOME WITH HERBIE AND GIL. THESE ARE WHAT I WOULD GUESS TO BE THE ORIGINALS. NATURE BOY EASY LIVING ALONE TOGETHER THERE'S NO YOU Edited September 22, 2012 by alocispepraluger102 Quote
jazzbo Posted September 22, 2012 Report Posted September 22, 2012 These are the four titles on "Blue Moods" NATURE BOY EASY LIVING ALONE TOGETHER THERE'S NO YOU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Moods Quote
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