clifford_thornton Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I was never willing to pay more than $40 for this. Guess that's why I don't have it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Its a nice session. Nothing unforgetable , but fine. Anyway, 611 !!! :crazy: Is the reputation of the seller an explanation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Is the reputation of the seller an explanation ? Visited that store in Williamsburg ! Nothing too stunning but came out with a nice stash of Libertys and some Miles 6-eye. That double rack in the middle has the 'new arrivals'. Edited January 17, 2008 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 somebody paid over 500 for a OJC reissue of Sound of Sonny. I guess they just couldn't resist the buy it now price! I guess they couldn't resist that white label, similar to early Riverside, some OJC have. It makes those "Sound of Sonny" looks like the real deal, especially with a blurred Ebay picture... please add the typical Ebay "more money than brain (and eyes, and knowledge)" behaviour, and you have an explanation of those 500 $. Try $599, not $500: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sound-Of-SONNY-ROLLINS...bayphotohosting I have seen this ebay listing many times...is it a sincere mistake ? or a very bad scam ? other reissues are lsited in the price range ... anyway, nobody "bought it now". Somebody did. Unbelievable. And the pictures of the record label are very clear. You can see OJC right there on the label. Hell, I just bought an OJC LP of Mulligan Plays Mulligan for six bucks. I think I'll give it a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Its a nice session. Nothing unforgetable , but fine. Anyway, 611 !!! :crazy: Is the reputation of the seller an explanation ? Yes, the seller has a good reputation and they always put nice shit up on eBay. They're friendly and knowledgeable, and the store itself actually offers pretty good deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Wynton Kelly on Riverside at 417 $second press described as a "true original" incredible !! we live in a fraudulent world, aren't we ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Wynton Kelly on Riverside at 417 $second press described as a "true original" incredible !! we live in a fraudulent world, aren't we ? It depends: just read it as a "true original second pressing" and a look for a good lawyer and the jury will discharge him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'm sure the buyer doesn't know and doesn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 somebody paid over 500 for a OJC reissue of Sound of Sonny. I guess they just couldn't resist the buy it now price! I guess they couldn't resist that white label, similar to early Riverside, some OJC have. It makes those "Sound of Sonny" looks like the real deal, especially with a blurred Ebay picture... please add the typical Ebay "more money than brain (and eyes, and knowledge)" behaviour, and you have an explanation of those 500 $. Try $599, not $500: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sound-Of-SONNY-ROLLINS...bayphotohosting I have seen this ebay listing many times...is it a sincere mistake ? or a very bad scam ? other reissues are lsited in the price range ... anyway, nobody "bought it now". Somebody bought it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 it is unbelievable. No...I'm still optimist : in the future days, i believe ther will some negative feedbacks on both parts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'm sure the buyer doesn't know and doesn't care. what do you mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzhound Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 somebody paid over 500 for a OJC reissue of Sound of Sonny. I guess they just couldn't resist the buy it now price! I guess they couldn't resist that white label, similar to early Riverside, some OJC have. It makes those "Sound of Sonny" looks like the real deal, especially with a blurred Ebay picture... please add the typical Ebay "more money than brain (and eyes, and knowledge)" behaviour, and you have an explanation of those 500 $. Try $599, not $500: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sound-Of-SONNY-ROLLINS...bayphotohosting I have seen this ebay listing many times...is it a sincere mistake ? or a very bad scam ? other reissues are lsited in the price range ... anyway, nobody "bought it now". Somebody bought it! i emailed the buyer a week after sale and let him know so i guess he sent it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsockel Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Wynton kelly on eBay What makes this Wynton Kelly a 2nd Press? Did it come out on the white label originally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Wynton kelly on eBay What makes this Wynton Kelly a 2nd Press? Did it come out on the white label originally? The original label for this one must not be small but LARGE (we are in the 250's catalog number). The legend of the "small label" has misleaded many Riverside buyers. In fact not all first press have a small label. The adress on back must start with "553 ... " on not "235.." This session was recorded january 1958, probably published a little later. This press may be around 1959/late1959. "553" adress with large label exist, of course, as a final proof of this scam. But who cares ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsockel Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 OK. Being a newbie here, what is the difference between "small" and "large" on Riverside? I have tried to research the forum before asking the question but can't find other mentions with details. Is there a thread where the riverside labelography and jackets differences are detailed especially with the early blues, an what makes a first press with this series? Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 OK. Being a newbie here, what is the difference between "small" and "large" on Riverside? Small labels are smaller than large labels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsockel Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Smaller diameter size? Smaller logos? Smaller font? What should I be looking for to distinguish a original blue label from a later blue label? Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Smaller diameter size? Smaller logos? Smaller font? What should I be looking for to distinguish a original blue label from a later blue label? Thanks again. Smaller diameter size, the logos and fonts are smaller but scaled, so you can't say if it's a first "small label" from a close-up of the label only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Smaller diameter size? Smaller logos? Smaller font? What should I be looking for to distinguish a original blue label from a later blue label? White label: Blue label (large): Unfortunately I could not find a picture of a small blue label, but I will try to discribe it. The diameter size is slightly smaller than a regular size label. As a result the raised center part of the vinyl is only partly covered with the label, if you know what I mean. Also, the deep groove is more to the outside on small labels. It is a bit difficult to determine for each title what label first pressings need to have. Generally speaking the first 42-43 titles have (large) white labels. (I think Blues For Tomorrow - 12-243 - is the last one with white labels). Be aware that real early pressings don't have a raised rim, have a quite wide deep groove and are quite heavy. Most white label copies you find in Europe, often stamped with US and GB patent numbers and with a safety lip, are probably pressed here and are much inferior to the "heavy" (real) first US pressings. Covers are always original, though. The next 10-15 titles have large blue labels (again: no safety lip and quite wide deep grooves). Then the small label is introduced (As far as I'm concerned first pressing of Kelly Piano has a small label), I think up until 330. Then the label changes to large again. Regards, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Smaller diameter size? Smaller logos? Smaller font? What should I be looking for to distinguish a original blue label from a later blue label? White label: Blue label (large): Unfortunately I could not find a picture of a small blue label, but I will try to discribe it. The diameter size is slightly smaller than a regular size label. As a result the raised center part of the vinyl is only partly covered with the label, if you know what I mean. Also, the deep groove is more to the outside on small labels. It is a bit difficult to determine for each title what label first pressings need to have. Generally speaking the first 42-43 titles have (large) white labels. (I think Blues For Tomorrow - 12-243 - is the last one with white labels). Be aware that real early pressings don't have a raised rim, have a quite wide deep groove and are quite heavy. Most white label copies you find in Europe, often stamped with US and GB patent numbers and with a safety lip, are probably pressed here and are much inferior to the "heavy" (real) first US pressings. Covers are always original, though. The next 10-15 titles have large blue labels (again: no safety lip and quite wide deep grooves). Then the small label is introduced (As far as I'm concerned first pressing of Kelly Piano has a small label), I think up until 330. Then the label changes to large again. Regards, Peter Actually you're right, this is the only way to spot a "small label" from a close up picture of the label. Thanks for the informations. I didn' know them. Edited February 6, 2008 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Be aware that real early pressings don't have a raised rim, have a quite wide deep groove and are quite heavy. Most white label copies you find in Europe, often stamped with US and GB patent numbers and with a safety lip, are probably pressed here and are much inferior to the "heavy" (real) first US pressings. Covers are always original, though. I think those raised rim were actually pressed in the US, but a part of them was exported GB and Europe. So they have the 2 patent. They are IMO second white US press. I've some of them, all come from Ebay in the US. I confirm They are very light compared to flat edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think those raised rim were actually pressed in the US, but a part of them was exported GB and Europe. So they have the 2 patent. They are IMO second white US press. I've some of them, all come from Ebay in the US. I confirm They are very light compared to flat edge. Thanks, I never realised these 'second' white pressings have been sold in the US as well. Interesting. The blue (both large and small) label issues show similar variations: some are heavy and have wide deep grooves, others are lighter and have raised edges (and patent nrs.). It's not always easy for us collectors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think those raised rim were actually pressed in the US, but a part of them was exported GB and Europe. So they have the 2 patent. They are IMO second white US press. I've some of them, all come from Ebay in the US. I confirm They are very light compared to flat edge. Thanks, I never realised these 'second' white pressings have been sold in the US as well. Interesting. The blue (both large and small) label issues show similar variations: some are heavy and have wide deep grooves, others are lighter and have raised edges (and patent nrs.). It's not always easy for us collectors! I think the "patented" large blue were also pressed in purpose to be sold both part of the Atlantic same as white. The blue label with "pat" are in fact the earliest large blue label (between 242-243 and 250 : i have a 246 blue with "pat" number). After that, European pressing are on the way : the first edition have white label : means that, for some number, some european press have a white when the blue was used in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzhound Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Capitol reissue of INDEED going for over 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeegor Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) Capitol reissue of INDEED going for over 300. It ended at $1,585. It's a Classic Records re-issue, with the faux deep-groove and addresses. Except, of course the obvious 'Classic Records under licence etc.' line at the bottom of the back cover. http://cgi.ebay.com/VG-RARE-Lee-Morgan-Ind...1QQcmdZViewItem Edited February 11, 2008 by eeegor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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