David Ayers Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 You all know which one I am talking about. It crops up on a Hill session and a Hubbard session and maybe others I can't remember. Does anyone know how come there was a harpsichord in Rudy's studio for those dates - tempting pianists who should know better to mess around on it? Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Can't tell you where RVG went thrift shopping, but the following thread I started some time ago is related: Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 It crops up on a Hill session and a Hubbard session and maybe others I can't remember. Can anybody remember/name any other Rudy sessions with Harpsichord? I can't think of anything else on BN -- but maybe for another label, perhaps Impulse? Somebody remind me what all labels Rudy recorded for (at least in the 60's). Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 I think he engineered Lalo Schifrin's "Marquis de Sade," but the harpsichord in that is very deliberate and part of the concept. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 I think he engineered Lalo Schifrin's "Marquis de Sade," but the harpsichord in that is very deliberate and part of the concept. Was that recorded at Rudy's place, by chance? One of the obvious questions is, did Rudy have a harpsichord on-site on a regular basis?? - at least during some period of time. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 De Sade was recorded in April 1966 at RVG's pad. What are the dates of the two BN sessions previously cited? If they are from the same period, maybe he wanted to get some mileage out of having the harpsichord there. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Yes, that 'de Sade' session was recorded at Van Gelders - April 1966. Just checked the Verve Elite CD. Maybe he got one into his inventory just as that early psychadelia pop phase was ramping up, which tended to feature the harpsichord quite a bit. Edit - just beat me to it ! Edited January 9, 2011 by sidewinder Quote
David Ayers Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) The Hubbard is March 5 and the Hill is March 7, 1966. Seems that narrows it down a bit. The Hubbard is the extra tracks on Blue Spirits and the Hill is Change. Oh but wait - the Hubbard is a celeste - I misremembered. It is bizarre that the dates are so close then and both feature unusual instruments... More sleuthing required, maybe? Edited January 9, 2011 by David Ayers Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 RVG did some classical sessions early on, correct? Is it possible that he had a harpsichord the whole time? If not, my (non-academic) theory is that one was brought in for the de Sade album, and musicians playing on other sessions were tempted to make noise on it while it was there. Quote
David Ayers Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Posted January 9, 2011 Hm... By the way I am surprised you never mentioned Jacques Loussier in your Bach thread. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Oh but wait - the Hubbard is a celeste - I misremembered. It is bizarre that the dates are so close then and both feature unusual instruments... Wait, isn't there at least one instance of an instrument being identified as being a celeste, and it clearly sounding like a harpsichord (or was it vice verse?) And now that I'm thinking of it, wasn't there a McCoy BN session from later (1968 or after) that used either harpsichord or celeste (and maybe THAT'S the one that got them mixed up in the credits). Edit: Or maybe it was something with Chick?? I'm pretty sure it WASN'T a Herbie session. The plot thickens!! Were there any Rudy sessions (for BN or otherwise) that actually used celeste??? Edited January 9, 2011 by Rooster_Ties Quote
Free For All Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 And now that I'm thinking of it, wasn't there a McCoy BN session from later (1968 or after) that used either harpsichord or celeste (and maybe THAT'S the one that got them mixed up in the credits). Edit: Or maybe it was something with Chick?? I'm pretty sure it WASN'T a Herbie session. On Trident (1975) he played both celeste and harpsichord. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Oh but wait - the Hubbard is a celeste - I misremembered. It is bizarre that the dates are so close then and both feature unusual instruments... Wait, isn't there at least one instance of an instrument being identified as being a celeste, and it clearly sounding like a harpsichord (or was it vice verse?) Just listened, and the Freddie 'March 5th' date with Herbie is CLEARLY a harpsichord, and NOT celeste. Celeste is more bell-like, though not with the sustain that handbells (or tubular bells) have. Not sure if a Celeste has a sustain pedal or not, be regardless, I'm hearing the distinct 'plucked string' sound of a harpsichord on that Freddie date. SO, what ELSE might Rudy have been recording around that time with harpsichord on it?? What's the story on this instrument being there that particular week?? Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Let's hear it for the vibories! http://jazzrecordscene.com/swinginontheviboriesabc110.aspx http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,84808,00.html Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) FWIW, the 2001 edition of the Cuscuna/Ruppli BN discography (page 191) says it's "celeste" on the Hill/Rivers date -- which has since been corrected to say harpsichord on the single-disc issue of that same date (now called "Change"). But, funny, the 1995 discography in the Hill complete 63-66 Mosaic says harpsichord. In any case, it's clearly harpsichord, and somebody along the way has clearly gotten their instruments mixed up. Edited January 10, 2011 by Rooster_Ties Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Hm... By the way I am surprised you never mentioned Jacques Loussier in your Bach thread. So am I. I have 5 volumes on LP. EDIT: He has been listed the whole time, since 2007. Edited July 18, 2014 by Teasing the Korean Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Let's hear it for the vibories! http://jazzrecordscene.com/swinginontheviboriesabc110.aspx http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,84808,00.html Alternate source for the exact same info in your second link (which doesn't appear to be able to made a link with all those commas in the url). Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Just listened, and the Freddie 'March 5th' date with Herbie is CLEARLY a harpsichord, and NOT celeste. This seems to support my theory that it was wheeled in for the de Sade album and others played it while it was there. Just a guess on my part. Quote
JSngry Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I'll take Jack Wilson's electric harpsichord w/Gerald Wilson on Pacific Jazz because it fits. Quote
David Ayers Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) FWIW, the 2001 edition of the Cuscuna/Ruppli BN discography (page 191) says it's "celeste" on the Hill/Rivers date -- which has since been corrected to say harpsichord on the single-disc issue of that same date (now called "Change"). But, funny, the 1995 discography in the Hill complete 63-66 Mosaic says harpsichord. In any case, it's clearly harpsichord, and somebody along the way has clearly gotten their instruments mixed up. I didn't want to play the Hubbard again (!) but I should have checked. Not only the session info on the CD but also MC's notes call it a celeste - evidently MC did not know what a harpsichord sounded like! Edited January 10, 2011 by David Ayers Quote
JohnS Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Let's hear it for the vibories! http://jazzrecordscene.com/swinginontheviboriesabc110.aspx http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,84808,00.html Nice album! Quote
mikeweil Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 FWIW, these links were posted on a specialized harpsichord mailing list: The sky is a harpsichord canvas List of songs with harpsichord Quote
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