Shawn Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 And let's not forget Graham Parsons, also 27. He spent some time hanging with Keith Richards. Robert Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankin Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 And let's not forget Graham Parsons, also 27. He spent some time hanging with Keith Richards. Robert Johnson I'm beginning to think that it was actually Keith at the crossroads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Keith killed RJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Keith killed RJ? No, Keith was playing a club date with the Stones that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alexander, are you kidding with that? You heard it here first? Here's a prediction: at some point I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alexander, are you kidding with that? You heard it here first? Here's a prediction: at some point I die. +1 Remember, you heard it here first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Her unnecessarily short life perhaps highlights the longevity of Keith Richards, who I gather did everything she did ten or twenty times over, but inexplicably lived to tell about it. Nope, Keith knew his limits. Referring to that he once said "I never turned blue in somebody else's bathroom." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I believe Ron McKernan, a.k.a., Pigpen, also died at age 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 She had it comin'. Really? So Bird did too (have it comin')?!? - & many others. Maybe I misunderstand your comment. Seems a little cold. At any rate, I thought she had much potential. I'll miss hearing what might have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Her unnecessarily short life perhaps highlights the longevity of Keith Richards, who I gather did everything she did ten or twenty times over, but inexplicably lived to tell about it. Nope, Keith knew his limits. Referring to that he once said "I never turned blue in somebody else's bathroom." I just finished his biography and he indeed knew his limits. (And was never shy about hitting them.) The casualties were those who didn't know their limits and kept reaching for that next level of high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 She had it comin'. Really? So Bird did too (have it comin')?!? - & many others. Maybe I misunderstand your comment. Seems a little cold. At any rate, I thought she had much potential. I'll miss hearing what might have been. Absolutely agree. I had the same reaction. Hopefully, it was not intended as it came across. Boy, the thing about potential. That's so right on... just a killer. Not only Winehouse, but all the others. What is it about celebrity that pushes people to and beyond the brink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) One of the things that initially attracted me to Winehouse was her respect for the past, i.e. great American songbook, a trait attributable to her father. Here's a good example. Let's all put our most advanced thinking caps on and try to imagine Justin Beiber tackling this: Edited July 24, 2011 by Dave James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Her unnecessarily short life perhaps highlights the longevity of Keith Richards, who I gather did everything she did ten or twenty times over, but inexplicably lived to tell about it. Nope, Keith knew his limits. Referring to that he once said "I never turned blue in somebody else's bathroom." A bit smug, perhaps (and is it really true?), but never underestimate the power of "professional pride", even in matters such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alexander, are you kidding with that? You heard it here first? Here's a prediction: at some point I die. Uh, yeah, I was kidding. Hence the, "Not that it was hard to see coming" part immediately to the south... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Her unnecessarily short life perhaps highlights the longevity of Keith Richards, who I gather did everything she did ten or twenty times over, but inexplicably lived to tell about it. The media that is now weeping for her also encouraged this celebrity excess. Kids in this sort of situation are expected to live the dangerous, rock'n roll lifestyle in order to be edgy. They all assume they are going to be Keith rather than Brian. The way the media used this woman's unfortunate life to provide copy crosses into another ugly story dominating the news at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Shocked to hear this - although shouldn't have been. Just on the radio yesterday morning Tony Bennett was talking about his new 'Duets' album and said that he had great fondness for Whitehouse as a singer and as a person and was very worried for her health. I think her Aunt Cynthia (or was it Great Aunt?) was a fiance of Ronnie Scott so there were big jazz vibes in that North London family. Such a shame that the recent rehab didn't have any success. What a great shame, RIP. Edited July 24, 2011 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Her unnecessarily short life perhaps highlights the longevity of Keith Richards, who I gather did everything she did ten or twenty times over, but inexplicably lived to tell about it. The media that is now weeping for her also encouraged this celebrity excess. Kids in this sort of situation are expected to live the dangerous, rock'n roll lifestyle in order to be edgy. They all assume they are going to be Keith rather than Brian. The way the media used this woman's unfortunate life to provide copy crosses into another ugly story dominating the news at present. We can blame the media, her handlers, her friends or her family. But ultimately, she's the one who is responsible, not the media. They're just feeding the rest of us the fast food we love. She was basically a kid at 27, and her death is sad. But there are thousands of unknown addicts sleeping under bridges who we collectively couldn't care less about (until they rob us. Then it's a huge problem that needs immediate attention). But when the media turns its attention to those people, we let out a collective yawn and turn the page. And that's the way it is. ... But ... I really enjoyed the clip Dave James posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Read somewhere this morning that a friend/colleague/whatever said that she was bi-polar but refused to take appropriate medication. That would explain a lot. When all is said and done, I think everything pretty much everything we do comes down to brain chemistry. Just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 We can blame the media, her handlers, her friends or her family. But ultimately, she's the one who is responsible, not the media. They're just feeding the rest of us the fast food we love. She was basically a kid at 27, and her death is sad. But there are thousands of unknown addicts sleeping under bridges who we collectively couldn't care less about (until they rob us. Then it's a huge problem that needs immediate attention). But when the media turns its attention to those people, we let out a collective yawn and turn the page. And that's the way it is. ...My thoughts exactly ... and even more so when I think about the kids killed in Norway - wasn't this in the US media? Much more devastating news than the death of a distracted singer ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Seems to me that once you begin thinking that way -- these deaths (i.e. "the kids killed in Norway") automatically matter more than those deaths or that death (e.g. Winehouse's -- assuming you think that Winehouse's death matters or ought to matter much at all), then you're on a very slippery slope. Like, does the Holocaust or the Black Death make the killing of the kids in Norway less meaningful? Not IMO. How about the assassination of JFK? Arguably made a big difference in the course of history. There's no moral meat locker where one can take dead bodies and total up the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 There's no moral meat locker... True, not today, but those who remember the beneficent power and glory that was Slippy Slabberwocky (and all that surrounded him) remember that there once was, and lo, it was good. Damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 She had it comin'. Really? So Bird did too (have it comin')?!? - & many others. Maybe I misunderstand your comment. Seems a little cold. At any rate, I thought she had much potential. I'll miss hearing what might have been. Absolutely agree. I had the same reaction. Hopefully, it was not intended as it came across. Boy, the thing about potential. That's so right on... just a killer. Not only Winehouse, but all the others. What is it about celebrity that pushes people to and beyond the brink? Seemed to me she had a death wish and was on a mission to do herself in. That might be cold, but since others comments of 'not being surprised' don't merit the same reaction... Also, Amy Winehouse was not Bird, nor Billie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Read somewhere this morning that a friend/colleague/whatever said that she was bi-polar but refused to take appropriate medication. That would explain a lot. When all is said and done, I think everything pretty much everything we do comes down to brain chemistry. Just a hunch. Some are sicker than others. Drug addiction doesn't make people with mental health issues healthier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 She had it comin'. Really? So Bird did too (have it comin')?!? - & many others. Maybe I misunderstand your comment. Seems a little cold. At any rate, I thought she had much potential. I'll miss hearing what might have been. Absolutely agree. I had the same reaction. Hopefully, it was not intended as it came across. Boy, the thing about potential. That's so right on... just a killer. Not only Winehouse, but all the others. What is it about celebrity that pushes people to and beyond the brink? I hear this so often and it sounds a bit backwards. Addicts and alcoholics have serious problems dealing with the day to day issues of life. Having a high pressure job doesn't make it any easier to stop. It isn't the celebrity, it's the disease that kills them. You don't have to be famous to be dead from alcoholism or drug addiction. The disease does not discriminate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Read somewhere this morning that a friend/colleague/whatever said that she was bi-polar but refused to take appropriate medication. That would explain a lot. When all is said and done, I think everything pretty much everything we do comes down to brain chemistry. Just a hunch. Some are sicker than others. Drug addiction doesn't make people with mental health issues healthier. No, but mental health issues do explain the impulse toward wanton self-destructive/suicidal behavior. A bi-polar addict who refuses to take medication specifically targeted at treating that condition is essentially disallowing for the possibility of behaving rationally about anything, not just their addiction. Which is not to say that if she took the medication that she would automatically choose to attempt sobriety, much less succeed, just that without it, she was going to go off the rails anyway, which she certainly did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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