Gene Ammons - Bad Bossa Nova/Jungle Soul

[jeffcrom]

Okay, this is one of those questions about original issues and repressings that's ultimately kind of unimportant, but I'm curious:

I just picked up a nice mono copy of the Prestige 7257 by Gene Ammons. It's got the Prestige blue label with the silver trident and lettering; deep groove with Van Gelder's stamp in the dead wax. The title on the front cover is "Bad! Bossa Nova." The title on the back cover and labels is "Jungle Soul (ca' purange)." Is this the original pressing or an early repress, or what?

In any case, it's musically pretty badass behind its genial facade.

[Teasing the Korean]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

The album is a good jungle soul album, but indeed a bad bossa nova album - There's nothing bossa about it.

[J.A.W.]

The first (1963) LP issue had a yellow mono (PRLP-7257) or silver stereo (PRST-7257) label, with the Bergenfield address on top of the label. In 1964 the label was changed to blue with a trident logo on the right and the Bergenfield address on the bottom, so your pressing was the later one.

[brownie]

My copy of Jungle Soul has a different cover from the regular Bad Bossa Novavinyl

It has the yellow Bergenfield labels, Van Gelder stamps and a dark/green tainted closeup of Gene Ammons (by Esmond Edwards) on its cover.

Liner notes by Del Shields are dated December 1963.

[JSngry]

Ca'purange was a little bit of a "hit", wasn't it?

The tune itself, that is.

[Swinging Swede]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

Are you sure about that? Both jazzdisco.org and Lord seem to say that Bad! Bossa Nova was the original title, and Jungle Soul the later one.

[J.A.W.]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

Are you sure about that? Both jazzdisco.org and Lord seem to say that Bad! Bossa Nova was the original title, and Jungle Soul the later one.

You're right, according to Bruyninckx, Michel Ruppli's Prestige discography (page 133) and Neal Umphred's Goldmine's Price Guide to Collectible Jazz Albums 1949-1969 (2nd edition; page 48) Bad! Bossa Nova was the original LP title.

[jeffcrom]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

Are you sure about that? Both jazzdisco.org and Lord seem to say that Bad! Bossa Nova was the original title, and Jungle Soul the later one.

You're right, according to Bruyninckx, Michel Ruppli's Prestige discography (page 133) and Neal Umphred's Goldmine's Price Guide to Collectible Jazz Albums 1949-1969 (2nd edition; page 48) Bad! Bossa Nova was the original LP title.

That makes sense to me, given my "hybrid" copy. They would use up their supply of "Jungle Soul" LPs, even if they put them in newer "Bad Bossa Nova" covers.

Edited November 6, 2010 by jeffcrom

[J.A.W.]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

Are you sure about that? Both jazzdisco.org and Lord seem to say that Bad! Bossa Nova was the original title, and Jungle Soul the later one.

You're right, according to Bruyninckx, Michel Ruppli's Prestige discography (page 133) and Neal Umphred's Goldmine's Price Guide to Collectible Jazz Albums 1949-1969 (2nd edition; page 48) Bad! Bossa Nova was the original LP title.

That makes sense to me, given my "hybrid" copy. They would use up their supply of "Jungle Soul" LPs, even if they put them in newer "Bad Bossa Nova" covers.

Shouldn't that be the other way around? Bad! Bossa Nova came first, followed by Jungle Soul, or am I misreading your post?

[jeffcrom]

"Jungle Soul" was the original title. It was re-titled to cash in on bossa nova.

Are you sure about that? Both jazzdisco.org and Lord seem to say that Bad! Bossa Nova was the original title, and Jungle Soul the later one.

You're right, according to Bruyninckx, Michel Ruppli's Prestige discography (page 133) and Neal Umphred's Goldmine's Price Guide to Collectible Jazz Albums 1949-1969 (2nd edition; page 48) Bad! Bossa Nova was the original LP title.

That makes sense to me, given my "hybrid" copy. They would use up their supply of "Jungle Soul" LPs, even if they put them in newer "Bad Bossa Nova" covers.

Shouldn't that be the other way around? Bad! Bossa Nova came first, followed by Jungle Soul, or am I misreading your post?

Yes, I read it backwards. And my feeble brain is more confused that ever....

[Teasing the Korean]

Well, that makes sense now that I think about it. They were probably embarrassed into making the name change.

Are the liner notes the same on both issues? The liner notes on my copy (Bossa front cover) reference the jungle but they don't talk about bossa at all.

[Chuck Nessa]

The album was retitled because Ca'Puranga (Jungle Soul) was a juke box hit.

[mikeweil]

Didn't Santana cover Jungle Soul on one of their early albums?

[brownie]

The Fall 1963 Prestige catalogue which came out shortly after the album's release lists LP7257 as 'Bad Bossa Now'.

[six string]

Didn't Santana cover Jungle Soul on one of their early albums?

Are you confusing that with Jungle Strut?

[mikeweil]

Seems like I mixed up those two "Jungle" tunes - what album was Ammons' version of Jungle Strut on?

And who in all the world was this "Mussapere" who was credited for writing Jungle Soul?

Edited November 12, 2010 by mikeweil

[JSngry]

The album was retitled because Ca'Puranga (Jungle Soul) was a juke box hit.

I thought so...I used to see Jungle Soul LPs all the time back in the day...yellow border w/a big photo of either a lion or tiger head...never saw any Bad Bossa Nova

[Niko]

 Seems like I mixed up those two "Jungle" tunes - what album was Ammons' version of Jungle Strut on?

And who in all the world was this "Mussapere" who was credited for writing Jungle Soul?

apparently a man who died a year ago at 91 and who was later known as Antenor Moreyra Lima or Nato Lima

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_%C3%8Dndios_Tabajaras

[Teasing the Korean]

Thank GOD they changed the name. It was so embarrassing how clueless United Statesians threw around the phrase "bossa nova" in the early days. I am assuming that the title was the work of some marketing hack. Anyway, I will gladly trade my LP cover of "Bad Bossa Nova" for a "Jungle Soul" LP cover, which is so much more appropriate, given the music.

[JSngry]

Used to be plentiful, these did...

[Chuck Nessa]

Jim's "posted image" didn't show up but I love the Bad Bossa Nova title and cover.

[Teasing the Korean]

We can all agree that it was BAD bossa nova.

But GREAT jungle soul.

[Chuck Nessa]

Not me. I think it was a great title for the record.

[Chas]

Are the liner notes the same on both issues?

No, Joe Segal wrote new notes for the Jungle Soul reissue in 1968.

[Teasing the Korean]

Not me. I think it was a great title for the record.

Lots of people think that Kenny G Is jazz. All of you are entitled to your opinions.