Tom 1960 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 I was interested in this post Blue Note 1957 release on the Bethlehem label until I came across a brief review from Downbeat which described his piano on the session as out of tune. Any truth to this? FWIW, All Music Guide gave the release a very positive review. Help me get through this confusion. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 I don't remember it being out of tune (if so, it must not have been too bad). Strong date, as I recall -- right up there with the BN material. Quote
brownie Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 The piano is fine, Herbie Nichols is great. The only thing out of tune is the DB review! How many albums by Nichols are available? Don't miss this one! Quote
jostber Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 I have this one and think this is a must. Getting more Nichols is a good thing. Quote
JSngry Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 A little diffused in comparison to the BNs, due to the inclusion of some standards, but then again, maybe more varied than them because of that. Either way, it's Herbie Nichols in fine form. Buy with confidence! Quote
Tom 1960 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Posted October 31, 2010 Cool! It looks unanimous. Quote
colinmce Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 Indeed! The version of "Too Close For Comfort" is a favorite rendition of a favorite tune. And Danny Richmond is always worth hearing. Quote
Stereojack Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 Because of the slightly more varied material, a different listening experience than the Blue Notes. Well worth getting! Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 A must, though my recollection is that Richmond is notably (though not greivously) less well-attuned to and less well-equipped to deal with Nichols' music than Blakey or Roach were. But then, that's Art and Max... Quote
Stereojack Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 A must, though my recollection is that Richmond is notably (though not greivously) less well-attuned to and less well-equipped to deal with Nichols' music than Blakey or Roach were. But then, that's Art and Max... I suspect this date may have had less rehearsal time than the well-organized Blue Note dates. And Danny is a looser drummer, and he brings a different feel, I agree. Quote
B. Goren. Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 I prefer this one over his BN recordings. Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 That DB review is total BS. This is wonderful music! Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 I have, over the years, unloaded albums because of out-of-tune instruments (I have near-perfect pitch). It never occurred to me to unload this one, and I've had it for decades. Quote
Tom 1960 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Posted October 31, 2010 That DB review is total BS. This is wonderful music! The funny thing about the review is that's included on the eBay listing. Not a great way to promote your product if you ask me? Quote
AndrewHill Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 Late call, but agree with all that say this is a worthwhile purchase. This is great music that shouldn't be passed up! Quote
Kyo Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 That reminds me of something. I got this album from an amazon.com marketplace seller. Here's what I wrote to him: --- Hi there, the CD arrived today. While the disc is fine, half of the last page of the booklet has been ripped off. I can send you a photo if you like. That certainly wasn't mentioned in the item description! --- No reply. Two weeks later I sent him a reminder with the same message again. I finally got a reply with the subject header "3 REPLY HOPE YOU GET ONE" --- YES IT WAS LISTED SO YOU CAN CONTACT AMAZON.COM BUT I WOULD SUGGEST READING BETTER WHAT YOU BUY. SORRY THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO FOR THIS PROBLEM AS IT WAS STATED LEE --- Above this he quoted what was supposedly the original order information: Seller: chanlee3002 zShop This seller is rated: (6243) Condition: Used - Very Good Seller's comments: back page has damage in booklet great music , shipped with dc, has all the original , art work and case --- And yes, obviously the original description didn't include the "back page has damage in booklet" part, as an attempt to leave feedback for this order immediately revealed. Dude got his ass handed to him by amazon. Some people... Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) actually, I don't think you can have near-perfect pitch. Either you do or not. You may, however, have good ears. Edited November 1, 2010 by AllenLowe Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 actually, I don't think you can have near-perfect pitch. Either you do or not. You may, however, have good ears. There has been a big scientific debate in recent decades over perfect pitch, including what constitutes perfect pitch, whether it is inherent or can be learned, and if there is more than one category of perfect pitch. Charlie Banacos told me I had near-perfect pitch (in his words), for whatever that is worth. His ear-training exercises were the only ones that I didn't have to practice. Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 hmmmm.... Charlie was a smart guy. But I always thought of it as like being a little but pregnant... I remember Bob Mover being able to name the pitch a lot of the time but not always, so maybe it is a similar thing. Quote
JSngry Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 People can also have relative pitch, where they get the intervals right, just not always the key. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) People can also have relative pitch, where they get the intervals right, just not always the key. I've got that (well, at least 'really good' relative pitch), but definitely not "perfect pitch" as you describe it, Jim. The only way I can tell what key I'm in (and this is just to even get me in the neighborhood), I have to remember this high Eb I had to sing solo when I was 14 (in a production of Menotti's Christmas operetta "Amahl and the Night Visitors"). The entrance had nothing in the score to even begin to suggest the note, so I had to do it from memory. To this day, I can usually get it within about a half step or less. Then I have to work my way around an imaginary keyboard in my head, to figure out what some other note is. Imperfect, sure, but it's all I got, since somehow I've lost every pitch-pipe I've ever owned. Edited November 1, 2010 by Rooster_Ties Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 hmmmm.... Charlie was a smart guy. But I always thought of it as like being a little but pregnant... I completely understand you're logic. Maybe we should start a thread on perfect pitch so this one doesn't get derailed... Quote
Spontooneous Posted November 2, 2010 Report Posted November 2, 2010 Just listened to "Love, Gloom, Cash, Love" this morning. The piano is OK, no worse than the piano on "Money Jungle." Don't know why I never noticed all the Bud Powell quotes on "45-Degree Angle" until today. Second-best album title ever, after "Songs We Taught Your Mother." Quote
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