couw Posted February 14, 2004 Author Report Posted February 14, 2004 (edited) while waiting for that story, here's a nice picture of Ronnie Ross I found in a big german book on jazz. No specifics and no source mentioned, I'm sorry... Edited February 14, 2004 by couw Quote
couw Posted February 14, 2004 Author Report Posted February 14, 2004 and another one with Koller, Goykovich, and Mangelsdorff. Must have been the 1961 Boland date, but who knows... Quote
tooter Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Spoilt for choice - thanks. I've replaced with the first. Only me here now. Quote
Jug21 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Posted March 3, 2004 (edited) In another place I have been told about an album "Messages from Munich" reported to have been issued on the Hot House label about 1996/7. Details so far:- Personnel: Rick Kiefer (trumpet), Rudy Friesen (trombone), Olaf Kubler (soprano saxophone, tenor saxophone), Don Menza (alto saxophone, tenor saxophone), Dick Spencer (alto saxophone, flute), Hans Koller, Rudi Fierl (tenor saxophones), Ronnie Ross (baritone saxophone), Rudi Risavy (flute), Pepsi Auer, Joe Haider, Bill Le Sage (pianos), Peter Trunk, Hans Ratenbacher; George (Jiri) Mraz (basses), Cees See, Meinrad Gepport, Pierre Favre (drums). Leader: Ronnie Ross Dates: 1963 to 1967 Venue: Munich, Germany Label: Hot House Album Title: Messages From Munich Tracks: 1. Since Yesterday 2. Sub Basement Blues Note: Other tracks unknown Can anyone shed any light on this please? Those titles should stem from sessions held in July 1965 at Trixi Studios, Munich You'll find the complete tracklisting here (as well as the CD "Unforgettable Ronnie Ross): http://www.wewerka-online.de (go to "catalogue & artists" and click "Jazz Collection") Ronnie Ross - bars Dick Spencer - as Don Menza - ts (9,10,11) Rudi Risavy - fl (2,3,4) Rick Kiefer - tr (1,2,5,7 - 12) Rudi Fuessers - tb (1,2,5,7 - 12) Pepsi Auer - p (1 - 4) Joe Haider - p (7 - 12) Peter Trunk - b Pierre Favre - dr (1 - 6) Cees See - dr (7 - 12) Tracks 9 to 12 are possibly under the leadership of Peter Trunk 4 further tracks from December 1963 you'll find on "Night Bounce" (tracks 9 to 12) Ronnie Ross - bars Hans Koller - ts Rudi Flierl - ts Dick Spence - as Ira Kris - guit Hans Rettenbacher - b Meinrad Geppert - dr More info on "Wewerka Archive" you'll get here: http://www.sonarkollektiv.de/releases/SK019CD/ - Christian Edited March 3, 2004 by Jug21 Quote
couw Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Posted March 3, 2004 Jug, are these titles only available through MOD, i.e. as downloads, or can they simply be bought as a CD as well? Quote
Jug21 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Posted March 3, 2004 couw, there are CDs! Acutally, I'm listening to the Ronnie Ross right now. Mr. Siegi Pleyer from "Musikverlage Hans Wewerka" has offered to present them at Virgin Vienna (I'm the Dept.Manager there). We have to order directly in Munich as there are no distributors interested so far. Maybe this will change after the release of the "Forum West"-CD! - Christian Quote
couw Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Posted March 3, 2004 couw, there are CDs! Acutally, I'm listening to the Ronnie Ross right now. Mr. Siegi Pleyer from "Musikverlage Hans Wewerka" has offered to present them at Virgin Vienna (I'm the Dept.Manager there). We have to order directly in Munich as there are no distributors interested so far. Maybe this will change after the release of the "Forum West"-CD! - Christian thanks Christian, I think I will contact the Wewerka Verlag and ask them how I can get my paws on these. The Ronnie Ross sounds very promising. Any other Recommendations? Thanks! Quote
Jug21 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Posted March 3, 2004 (edited) After a first listen: "Margret Rose" is a Koller Session (Dec. 62) and very good. Typical Koller of the early Sixties. Some tracks are with a String Quartet, very subtle arranged. Though I think the best tracks (six) will be on the Forum West Sampler. Anyway, Koller & Pauer on one CD (with a total of 17 tracks) is a must for an Austrian. "The Rambler" is Fritz Pauer with Joe Nay & Dieter Gützkow as is "Beat The Beat" (both 1966). Very solid playing but still not the quality of his debut as a leader on MPS 3 years later (Live At The Berlin Jazz Galerie) "Animals Talk" is Pauer solo. All compositions by him. And if you like his composing it's also a must "Night Bounce" consists of 3 different sessions - one led by Attila Zoller, one by Wolfgang Dauner (with Eberhard Weber - 1964!!!) and the above mentioned 4 tracks led by Ronnie Ross with Koller! The "Unforgettable Ronnie Ross" is the highlight so far! Both - "Abstractions" by Mangelsdorff (with Sauer, Lenz, Hübner und Kronberg (on alto)) and "Avantgarde" (with Manfred Schoof, Gerd Dudek, Alexander Von Schlippenbach, Buschi Niebergall und Jaki Liebzeit) - are looking very promising too, but I didn't get those so far. - Christian Edited March 3, 2004 by Jug21 Quote
couw Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Posted March 3, 2004 "Abstractions" by Mangelsdorff (with Sauer, Lenz, Hübner und Kronberg (on alto) That's actually a the Now Jazz Ramwong album. Highly recommended. There's a 1993 CD reissue on CBS, I believe. It has popped up on amazon.de again a couple of months ago. Nice to see this one out again. Quote
couw Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Posted March 3, 2004 emails to Wewerka bounce. I will have to call them up tomorrow. Quote
tooter Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Christian - Thanks very much for the info on [Messages from Munich] - it was one of the big holes in my discography although I'm sure there are many more. And still some way to go before it's anywhere near complete by the looks of it. Rodney Quote
couw Posted March 5, 2004 Author Report Posted March 5, 2004 If anyone wants to contact Wewerka, they have a new email address. Mails to the address on their site get bounced. The new address is office@humedia.de Quote
jazzman4133 Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 Tooter......I have finally caught up with your extensive additional comments and those of others as well about Ronnie Ross. It is great to see so much additional prose about our favorite baritone player. Please keep up the good work ya' all (North Carolina dialect). Quote
tooter Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 At a loose end then Jazzman? All that time on your hands? Quote
tooter Posted March 28, 2004 Report Posted March 28, 2004 If anyone wants to contact Wewerka, they have a new email address. Mails to the address on their site get bounced. The new address is office@humedia.de Just in case anyone wants to contact, the email address is office@hwmedia.de - "w" not "u". Hope you don't mind the correction, Couw. Quote
couw Posted March 28, 2004 Author Report Posted March 28, 2004 If anyone wants to contact Wewerka, they have a new email address. Mails to the address on their site get bounced. The new address is office@humedia.de Just in case anyone wants to contact, the email address is office@hwmedia.de - "w" not "u". Hope you don't mind the correction, Couw. not at all, I should have done it myself by now.... Quote
tooter Posted March 29, 2004 Report Posted March 29, 2004 As a retired member I am full time now on this. All you workers all have my sympathy. Quote
sidewinder Posted April 2, 2004 Report Posted April 2, 2004 Here's a colour miniature of the front sleeve of 'Cleopatra's Needle'. Quote
couw Posted April 2, 2004 Author Report Posted April 2, 2004 oh, it's only 200 pounds... anyone don't know what to do with their money can buy it for me or tooter please Quote
tjobbe Posted April 2, 2004 Report Posted April 2, 2004 Hi couw, JPC currently offers a compilation of german jazz between 1962-68 including some Ronnie Ross called Forum West - Modern Jazz From West Germany 1962-1968 Tracklist: Content: 1. Wolfgang Lauth Sextet: Intrada 2. Hans Koller Ensemble: Mingus privat 3. Joe Haider Septet: Straight out 4. Hans Koller Ensemble: Casa loma 5. Joe Haider & his Orchestra: Hymnus for Che 6. Wolfgang Dauner Trio: Freefall 7. Rolf & Joachim Kühn Quartet: Arabia rock 8. Ronnie Ross & his Band: Tranquology 9. Hans Koller Ensemble: Saint John perse 10. Ronnie Ross & his Band: Last of the wine 11. Joe Nay & Fritz Pauer: Beta draco 12. Hans Koller Ensemble: Zoot 13. Wolfgang Dauner Trio: Ten notices 14. Fritz Pauer Trio: Red roof 15. Hans Koller Ensemble: Call me Eric 16. Joe Haider Septet: Eternal oil lamp 17. Hans Koller Ensemble: Lucky Tom Cheers, Tjobbe Quote
couw Posted April 2, 2004 Author Report Posted April 2, 2004 tjobbe, that's the disk Jug21 pointed towards on this thread. It's a compilation form the Wewerka archives. There is a complete Ross disk out as well as one with some Ross tracks on it. Still no luck contacting these people on those CDs... Quote
tjobbe Posted April 2, 2004 Report Posted April 2, 2004 (edited) ok.. haven't got the link between those two as the label JPC named releasing this doesn't say anything to me... but good to know. Hope we can expect more from there. Cheers, Tjobbe Edited April 2, 2004 by tjobbe Quote
tooter Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Announcment! With much help from here and elsewhere I have been able to more or less finalize the Ronnie Ross discography which can now be seen at the Ronnie Ross Homepage website. Many thanks to all those who gave advice and assistance. Quote
couw Posted May 11, 2004 Author Report Posted May 11, 2004 (edited) using a B&W copy made at the british library and the colour info Sidewinder gave us by posting the little pic, I was able to reconstruct a large colour version of this amazing cover (below a scaled down version). This album needs to be re-released. Edited May 11, 2004 by couw Quote
tooter Posted May 11, 2004 Report Posted May 11, 2004 Well done indeed! It looks even better than the original I had in my hands at the British Library Sound Archive and from which I took the B & W copy. The colour on the original had faded I should think as it is now getting on in years and perhaps hadn't been stored out of the light. Strongly agree that the album should be re-issued too. Quote
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