Wayne Shorter: Odyssey of Iska & Moto Grosso Feio

[AndrewHill]

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but I just acquired a copy of Odyssey of Iska the other day and was comparing it with my copy of Moto Grosso Feio and was utterly shocked to see that these two sessions, with completely different lineups, were recorded on August 26, 1970. Was this the case or was there an error in one of the liner notes? Anybody who can clear this up for me would be greatly appreciated.

I should add that I have the BN cd edition of Odyssey from 1987 and the One Way Records cd edition of Moto from 1993.

Edited October 26, 2010 by Holy Ghost

[jeffcrom]

They weren't recorded the same day. Moto Grosso Feio was recorded on April 3, 1970. The August 26 date was on the original LP issue, due to carelessness, I guess, and took on a life of its own.

I love Moto - I had it on eight-track tape back in the day; LP now. Some of Shorter's best playing ever.

[bertrand]

Also, the percussionist on Moto Grosso Feio is Micheline Pelzer, not 'Michelin Prell'.

Bertrand.

[AndrewHill]

Thank you Jeff and Bertrand. I agree that these recordings are fascinating to say the least.

Edited October 26, 2010 by Holy Ghost

[sidewinder]

I find that Wayne's playing on these albums and the style of group playing has quite a lot of similarities to his work over the past few years. Excellent sessions !

[AndrewHill]

I find that Wayne's playing on these albums and the style of group playing has quite a lot of similarities to his work over the past few years. Excellent sessions !

Agree! I really like what he's doing here, almost a kind of acoustic version of what Miles was doing with electric instruments, say around In a Silent Way or so. I especially like the line-up on Odyssey with the two basses, two drums, vibes and guitar. Wayne was really doing some exciting stuff here!

[sidewinder]

Yes. There are also inklings of that minimalist and very impressionistic approach on the 'Etcetera' quartet session and the rest of the material issued by King Records as 'The Collector'.

[vegheadjones]

Moto Grosso Feio is one of my favorites in particular. lotsa late night listnenings there...

[clifford_thornton]

Yes. There are also inklings of that minimalist and very impressionistic approach on the 'Etcetera' quartet session and the rest of the material issued by King Records as 'The Collector'.

Dang, so I need both Etcetera and The Collector? Former was easy to find, the latter... not so much.

[jeffcrom]

Yes. There are also inklings of that minimalist and very impressionistic approach on the 'Etcetera' quartet session and the rest of the material issued by King Records as 'The Collector'.

Dang, so I need both Etcetera and The Collector? Former was easy to find, the latter... not so much.

No - if you have Etcetera and the CD issue of Adam's Apple you'll have all of the material from The Collector.

[clifford_thornton]

Ah - my Adam's Apple is on LP as well. But good to know.

[sidewinder]

Ah - my Adam's Apple is on LP as well. But good to know.

'Teo's Bag' is on 'The Collector' but not 'Etcetera', Clifford. At least on the LPs.

'Teo's Bag' turns up on that 6CD Herbie Hancock box as well I think.

Edited October 28, 2010 by sidewinder

[jeffcrom]

Ah - my Adam's Apple is on LP as well. But good to know.

'Teo's Bag' is on 'The Collector' but not 'Etcetera', Clifford. At least on the LPs.

'Teo's Bag' turns up on that 6CD Herbie Hancock box as well I think.

That's the one that's on the CD issue of Adam's Apple.

[Daniel A]

Ah - my Adam's Apple is on LP as well. But good to know.

'Teo's Bag' is on 'The Collector' but not 'Etcetera', Clifford. At least on the LPs.

'Teo's Bag' turns up on that 6CD Herbie Hancock box as well I think.

That's the one that's on the CD issue of Adam's Apple.

To avoid pontential confusion: "Teo's Bag" and "The Collector" are alternate titles for the same tune, and it was recorded at one of the sessions that yielded the 'Adam's Apple' album. So the album 'Etcetera' contains everything recorded on June 14, 1965, while the Japanese Shorter LP 'The Collector' (GXF 3059) substituted "Toy Tune" from that session for "The Collector/Teo's Bag" (found as a bonus track on the CD release of 'Adam's Apple').

Edited October 28, 2010 by Daniel A

[clifford_thornton]

So it's only one track I would be missing. Thanks.

[mikeweil]

I still would like to hear the third, unissued session of that year ...

Wayne Shorter (ts) Barbara Burton (vib, bells, per) McCoy Tyner (p) Miroslav Vitous (b) Alphonse Mouzon (d, per)

A&R Studios, NYC, October 13, 1970

Blue Note rejected 

[AndrewHill]

I still would like to hear the third, unissued session of that year ...

Wayne Shorter (ts) Barbara Burton (vib, bells, per) McCoy Tyner (p) Miroslav Vitous (b) Alphonse Mouzon (d, per)

A&R Studios, NYC, October 13, 1970

Blue Note rejected

There's more from 1970??? Any chance we can hear this one????

[jazzbo]

We won't hear that as long as Michael Cuscuna is in command of the vaults. And it may not be in the vaults any longer. My guess is that he reviewed the tape with Wayne and maybe gave it to him to destroy. (Michael told me that he did that with Horace Silver and a tape of his).

[Daniel A]

I seem to remember that Wayne is said to have been very dissatisfied with Duke Pearson's production on that date. There's a thread somewhere here, I believe. This is not the thread in question, but there´s something about Wayne's opinion of Duke Pearson: