How would you describe "Sidewinder"--i.e. what genre of jazz i

[medjuck]

I remember using the term funk (before it was expropriated by rock and roll) for "Moanin'" but what do you call "Sidewinder" or "Una Mas"?. And are all such songs in 2/4 time?

Edited September 14, 2010 by medjuck

[Chuck Nessa]

Boooogalooos.

[medjuck]

Boooogalooos.

I was going to ask about that-- also appropriated by rock and roll.

[JSngry]

"Sidewinder" = boogaloo = yes, but a jazz boogaloo, not a "Latin" one (which is from whence the word issued).

"Una Nas" = boogaloo = not so much, because it's bossa/"Latin" structural accents are significantly pronounced & intrinsic. "BoogaBossa" or "BossaLoo" might be more accurate if they existed, but they don't, and it's really too late for them to begin now.

Technically, both are in 4/4 time, although if you want to be hyper anal(ytical) about it, you could say that "Sidewinder" was in 8/8.

Edited September 15, 2010 by JSngry

[cih]

so what's 'electric boogaloo', and why did I write it on the wall of a supermarket in 1984 when I was 11?

[king ubu]

"Una Nas"

[Dan Gould]

Technically, both are in 4/4 time, although if you want to be hyper anal(ytical) about it, you could say that "Sidewinder" was in 8/8.

I never could grasp New Math.

[BruceH]

I've long thought of "Sidewinder" as in the "jazz-funk" sub-genre, and don't really give a damn if it's accurate.

[danasgoodstuff]

It's a Blue Note Groove Thing - I'd say defined by Higgins drumming (starting with HH's WM Man - before Sidewinder), except that Blue Mitchell's "High Heeled Sneakers" (w/A; Foster) and Donald Byrd's ____________ (w/Freddie Waits) fit into that bag, whatever you call it. Lou D w/ Egregious Muhamed, that's a whole different thing, groovey in it's own right.

[tranemonk]

I thought it was considered the first of the "soul-jazz" songs (before they termed it as such)....

Whatever it is called...

Damn good song!

[Mark Stryker]

Billy Higgins once told me (and I'm going from memory from a conversation nearly 25 years ago) that he felt like the secret to his groove on the "The Sidewinder" was that there was really no back beat -- no heavy whap on two and four that locked in the rhythm into a stiff rock 'n' roll feel. Listen to the flowing shuffle effect he creates on the snare drum. As far as terms, I vote "boogaloo," though I think I've used the term "funky boogaloo" in print to refer to this tune and in some cases the term "Blue Note funk" might work as a catch all for all those post-Sidewinder tunes by Morgan, Mobley and others.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Mark Stryker

[Noj]

I take it a "bogaloo" is just a typo...

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

It's unusual for a typo to be repeated nine times on the original LP and again in the sleeve note to the follow-up

MG