Miles' Bitches Brew

[Big Beat Steve]

... but the whole notion that "all members should be viewed equally" flies in the face of the "rules of life" in general. Those who are "proven producers" establish a presence that those who aren't don't automatically have granted to them.

Thank goodness neither Leonard Feather nor John Hammond have ever had a chance of becoming members of this forum, then. Now THAT would have raised sumpin'!

[JSngry]

... but the whole notion that "all members should be viewed equally" flies in the face of the "rules of life" in general. Those who are "proven producers" establish a presence that those who aren't don't automatically have granted to them.

Thank goodness neither Leonard Feather nor John Hammond have ever had a chance of becoming members of this forum, then. Now THAT would have raised sumpin'!

Probably not as much as you think...

[GregK]

I also forgot that I'm the only one on here "hiding behind an alias", when I joined I saw people had funny jazz related names so I picked one I though was amusing, big fucking deal.

Wait, that's not your real name? I don't get the joke then. I'm clearly missing something here.

Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Oh, damn! So obvious now, I can't believe I missed it.

[Jim Alfredson]

Ok, so in my rush to defend Chuck I missed an "obvious" joke. I apologize. Though it kinda makes my point, doesn't it?

Maybe next time you're rushing to defend someone oh masked stranger, remember to bring along your sense of humour. It doesn't make your point at all, it just means you have even less of a sense of humour when you're being self righteous.

Or maybe it means it wasn't very funny.

This is still a shitty thing to say, anyway you cut it:

No, I don't know him, and his persona on here makes me glad I don't.

I've read a lot worse things on here, some of the directed at me, yet strangly they didn't seem to bother you at all, kinda makes my point, doesn't it?

Or maybe it means that I don't see every single post on here. I have other things to do. If you think a comment is out of line, please report it.

And yes, I am biased towards certain members here, including Chuck, Allen, and Dan, because I've had the pleasure of meeting them in real life and they're all really nice guys that I would love to hang with again. And you're probably the same way, but you come across just as opinionated and curmudgeonly as Chuck can, imo. So pot, meet kettle.

Thanks for finally admitting that, I was almost becoming a little paranoid there, and seeing as my opinionated and curmudgeonly behaviour is so abhorrent to you and probably the community at large, maybe you should just man up and ban me? Go on, it will make you feel much better.

Or maybe I should forget about trying to find some common ground with you and not worry about it. Again, I have other things to do. I really don't lose sleep over what you think of me or Chuck. I do know that you're completely wrong about him (as others have already attested to) but that evidently means nothing to you because you've already decided he's an asshole. Your loss.

Any more cheap shots?

[Cliff Englewood]

Ok, so in my rush to defend Chuck I missed an "obvious" joke. I apologize. Though it kinda makes my point, doesn't it?

Maybe next time you're rushing to defend someone oh masked stranger, remember to bring along your sense of humour. It doesn't make your point at all, it just means you have even less of a sense of humour when you're being self righteous.

Or maybe it means it wasn't very funny.

This is still a shitty thing to say, anyway you cut it:

No, I don't know him, and his persona on here makes me glad I don't.

I've read a lot worse things on here, some of the directed at me, yet strangly they didn't seem to bother you at all, kinda makes my point, doesn't it?

Or maybe it means that I don't see every single post on here. I have other things to do. If you think a comment is out of line, please report it.

And yes, I am biased towards certain members here, including Chuck, Allen, and Dan, because I've had the pleasure of meeting them in real life and they're all really nice guys that I would love to hang with again. And you're probably the same way, but you come across just as opinionated and curmudgeonly as Chuck can, imo. So pot, meet kettle.

Thanks for finally admitting that, I was almost becoming a little paranoid there, and seeing as my opinionated and curmudgeonly behaviour is so abhorrent to you and probably the community at large, maybe you should just man up and ban me? Go on, it will make you feel much better.

Or maybe I should forget about trying to find some common ground with you and not worry about it. Again, I have other things to do. I really don't lose sleep over what you think of me or Chuck. I do know that you're completely wrong about him (as others have already attested to) but that evidently means nothing to you because you've already decided he's an asshole. Your loss.

Any more cheap shots?

Yawn, I'm getting very bored with your pious bullshit now. Instead of posting that kind of nonsense and digging yourself a deeper hole, why not put the time into adding a new Forum rule, something along the lines of your buddies can act like arseholes from time to time, but hey that's just "them", they're "characters" etc, etc, and that they can post whatever they like, but everyone else needs to behave just in case the Owner happens to read something he doesn't agree with every once in a while??? Something like that.

With regard to cheap shots, I didn't think anything I posted above was really a cheap shot, maybe if I said something like "why don't you grow a pair of balls and go fuck yourself?", now that to me would be a cheap shot.

[Big Beat Steve]

Please don't get totally carried away, everybody ...

That's not worth it ...

[J.A.W.]

What bitches brew can lead to...

[paul secor]

Unbelievable craziness, stemming from nothing at all. ????

[Jim Alfredson]

Yawn, I'm getting very bored with your pious bullshit now. Instead of posting that kind of nonsense and digging yourself a deeper hole, why not put the time into adding a new Forum rule, something along the lines of your buddies can act like arseholes from time to time, but hey that's just "them", they're "characters" etc, etc, and that they can post whatever they like, but everyone else needs to behave just in case the Owner happens to read something he doesn't agree with every once in a while??? Something like that.

With regard to cheap shots, I didn't think anything I posted above was really a cheap shot, maybe if I said something like "why don't you grow a pair of balls and go fuck yourself?", now that to me would be a cheap shot.

I have a better idea. Why don't you go start your own forum, since this one is "sooooooo unfair" and then you can run it however you want.

And yes "why don't you man up and ban me" is a cheap shot. You want to talk about bullshit? Re-read your posts in this thread.

I've already "manned up" and admitted I was wrong about your joke and apologized. Why don't you man up and apologize for being completely unreasonable? You accuse me of piousness and self-righteousness and you're the one acting like the wounded, spurned outcast.

[clifford_thornton]

What the hell is going on here?

I also missed the "obviousness" of the joke, but it seemed like the usual internet quip that we can all move on from.

[Cliff Englewood]

I have a better idea. Why don't you go start your own forum, since this one is "sooooooo unfair" and then you can run it however you want.

I don't need to start my own Forum, there are plenty of others out there that I also enjoy spending time on, and I never said it was "sooooooo unfair", I merely pointed out that it was odd that you would get your panties in a bunch over me saying I don't like Chuck Nessa, who I believe refered to me as a dick or a shit or something like that in a post a while back, and can you believe he actually did that without even getting to know me first, how about them apples, eh. I never feel the need to report such behaviour because I'm almost a big boy now, but mainly because I don't really give a fuck what he thinks. But I do tend to get more annoyed by double standards from someone like yourself.

If you really felt that what I said was so bad you could have just PM'd me and told me to delete it, or do what you usually do with a certin other person's posts and edit them yourself, but you didn't, you chose to make a scene and pick a fight over something very minor, making it seem like I had beaten the shit out of Ralph Wiggum in the school playground, when all I had done was maybe give someone who has done more than his fair share of mild internet bullying a bit of his own poison. BTW, I take it he's still alive after the ordeal of finding out that not everyone likes him???

And yes "why don't you man up and ban me" is a cheap shot. You want to talk about bullshit? Re-read your posts in this thread.

I think most of my posts in this thread were related to the re-issue of "Bitches Brew" before your "panties in a bunch" moment.

If you consider asking you to ban me for doing something a lot less offensive than some of the bullshit your heroes get up to on here a cheap shot, go for it, it's a free world as they say. I'd say it's more pointing out that you probably have double standards as to what you think is acceptable behaviour on the Forum. If the same rules don't apply to everyone, you should make that clear from the start. Also, you PM'm me before on another incident and told me if I got out of line again you'd ban me, so if I'm out of line again, by all means ban me, they're your rules after all and, perhaps more importantly, your interpertation of your rules. This place isn't the biggest thing in my life either y'know. Honestly, I can't express how much of a shit I wouldn't give if I couldn't post on here anymore and I'm 100% sure it would be just the same if I didn't.

I've already "manned up" and admitted I was wrong about your joke and apologized. Why don't you man up and apologize for being completely unreasonable? You accuse me of piousness and self-righteousness and you're the one acting like the wounded, spurned outcast.

I don't think I have anything to apologize for and I feel neither wounded nor spurned. I simply find it odd that such a self styled good guy as yourself has such a problem with me saying I don't like a person, who I feel comes across as a cranky dick most of the time and who has shown himself to be more than capable of prejudging people, when at the same time, you seem to have no problem with his behaviour, or that of your other buddies, to both myself and others. Just seems a little odd to me.

If you want to continue this, do what you should have done in the first place and use the PM function.

[Jim Alfredson]

No, I don't want to continue this because it's obviously a waste of time. For someone who accused me of being self-righteous, you're certainly propped way up there on that high horse.

[clifford_thornton]

Man, if this happened on a 3-CD set discussion, just think of where it would have gone on a 6-CD box!

[Cliff Englewood]

No, I don't want to continue this because it's obviously a waste of time. For someone who accused me of being self-righteous, you're certainly propped way up there on that high horse.

You really think so?, whatever, it takes one to know one and all that.

[CJ Shearn]

This is the internet, it is very hard to tell intentions from text often, Cliff and Jim don't agree, no reason to get crazy about it.

[Kari S]

Who knew Columbia actually did "single edits"? What, were they hoping "Spanish Key" would be a hit? I mean, sure there's a nice groove and a sort of "hook"... But it's not like it's "Chameleon", where they just faded out the "complicated part" (meaning the best part, the B-section).

Regarding the DVD...I was super excited to finally have it as an official release. I'd seen snippets of it before, I think there's some on YouTube as well. Man...DeJohnette was playing a lot, it's almost overwhelming.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Kari S

[sidewinder]

Looks like my 'Deluxe' box is in the mail from Amazon. If the tracker is right I should get hold of it this weekend. :rsmile:

[JSngry]

Who knew Columbia actually did "single edits"? What, were they hoping "Spanish Key" would be a hit?

I think it was intended for jukebox play