recommend a Progger an organ jazz lp

[Guest Wallace]

Stipulations:

1/ not over-jazzy (looking for cosmic/avant stuff)

2/ no sax in band

3/ organ, ELECTRIC guitar, bass, drums is best

4/ no vocals

5/ NO vocalizations

Stuff I can groove with:

McDuff - Moon...err wotsit

Smith - Peter & Wolf (his proggiest), Who's afraid Virginia Wolff

Larry - Lawrence of Newark, Unity (borderline)

Earland - Live Lighthouse

[Stefan Wood]

Tony Williams - Emergency

Edited July 24, 2010 by Stefan Wood

[Guest Wallace]

Tony Williams - Emergency

I have this.

Also have McLaughlin "Devotion".

[kenny weir]

Good question!

Larry Goldings Trio - As One. Pretty mellow, but they do a fine Time Of The Season.

John Patton - Mosaic Select, disc 3

Pat Martino - Live At Yoshi's

Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse

Catalyst - The Funkiest Band You Never Heard

Sun Ra - The Night Of The Purple Moon

John Patton - Let 'Em Roll

Karry Young - Of Love And Peace

Edited July 24, 2010 by kenny weir

[danasgoodstuff]

Some of the rec's above have sax (but are otherwise excellent), hmm maybe Jimmy Smith's Root Down (quite unlike his other work)?

[Guest Wallace]

Yes. Forgot all about "Root Down".

Thats a goodun'.

So many of Smith's lps have been a letdown for me - always a lame blues track or a spazmo Lawrence Welkian peice.

(But, guess that was the time period he was unfortunately born into. On his later lps did he finally get "hip", or is "Root Down" just an anomaly?)

[7/4]

wow...

try Organissimo....

or

Larry Young - Unity.

[Guest Wallace]

You obviously did not take in my initial post.

I already stated I found "Unity" by Larry Young to be borderline. Getting into the too jazzy for my taste. (Lawrence of Newark lp is much more my kind of thing.)

...

Yeah - Organissimo.

But in this thread Im talking more about the older guys.

New bands like Link Quartet, Goldings and Niacin, I know.

[Aggie87]

Yeah David, you obviously aren't paying attention.

You should stop paying attention like the rest of us.

[Stefan Wood]

Charles Earland - Leaving this Planet

Larry Young - Mothership

Horacee Arnold - Tales of the Exonerated Flea(Keyboards than organ, but it is excellent music)

Jack McDuff - Who Knows WHat Tomorrow's Gonna Bring?

[Guest Wallace]

Thanks Stefan.

Will look into those.

[7/4]

You obviously did not take in my initial post.

I already stated I found "Unity" by Larry Young to be borderline. Getting into the too jazzy for my taste. (Lawrence of Newark lp is much more my kind of thing.)

...

Yeah - Organissimo.

But in this thread Im talking more about the older guys.

New bands like Link Quartet, Goldings and Niacin, I know.

If you don't like jazz, WTF are you doing here?

[Dan Gould]

Shockingly enough, a question I've asked myself.

I think Aggie has it exactly right.

[kenny weir]

You obviously did not take in my initial post.

I already stated I found "Unity" by Larry Young to be borderline. Getting into the too jazzy for my taste.

Edited July 24, 2010 by kenny weir

[Guest Wallace]

My my!

Three attacks in a row.

What larks!

A virtual triumph of that dark side of all music forums - the closing of ranks. The old boy net.

What did I do to get your backs up?

No reason to get all stroppy, sons.

"Here! Here!"

"I say! Here! Here!"

("Harumph", burp, fart.)

[J.A.W.]

My my!

Three attacks in a row.

What larks!

A virtual triumph of that dark side of all music forums - the closing of ranks. The old boy net.

What did I do to get your backs up?

No reason to get all stroppy, sons.

"Here! Here!"

"I say! Here! Here!"

("Harumph", burp, fart.)

Maybe a less antagonizing tone would do the trick.

[Guest Wallace]

Things could be much worse than mere "tone".

I am endeavouring to contribute and be decent, but fact is I have been targetted here from nigh on post one.

[J.A.W.]

I am endeavouring to contribute and be decent, but fact is I have been targetted here from nigh on post one.

And maybe that's got something to do with the tone of some of your posts. Just tone it down a bit.

[jlhoots]

As I recall there is sax on Lawrence Of Newark.

Not enough to bother you???

[Guest Wallace]

As I recall there is sax on Lawrence Of Newark.

Not enough to bother you???

Okay.

I truely was afeard of getting this question ,or a variation, sooner or later.

Probs gonna open a can of worms.

First off, please try to understand I am not a troll deliberately out to antagonize the major taste here.

But you DID ask......

Its not just the sax.

Its that I much prefer European jazz (which, for the most part is to say fusion) to American.

This forum seems to be all about America (yes, yes - where jazz was BORN.)

Its about the well-worn grooves,and the not so well-worn : but the standard sound all the same.

To my ear, much Euro jazz IS different.Especially 70s.

I cannot explain it compositionally since I am no musician,nor can read/dissect music.

I can vibe to their sax-playing, etc (in most cases).

Hard to describe, but Euro-jazz seems to be more attuned towards rock, maybe less to blues. More "cosmic" ,open (I guess like some Sun Ra or Pharoh S.). More jagged/less mellow. In some cases, more avant.

And on the electric jazz scene - less WeatherReport-slicky (which is writ all over US fusion).

Im a big fan of the massive Finnish 70s/80s jazz scene (maybe its still strong - but I dont follow it past 80s - too much other good non-jazz music to catch up with.)

Also the German MPS scene was a strong one. Spanish fusion is superb and the Swede/Norwegians were always tophole. Poles really know how to use the horns.

Or the (related to a lesser-degree) rockhorn bands of 70s UK: IF, Swegas...

An example of the difference between American hornwork and Euro, I have already given:

Pekka Pohjola's 2nd lp, "B. The Magpie".

Not sure if this has been blogged anywhere, but those interested in what I say should try a web search.

Here we have a horn section (mini bigband, I suppose) incorporated into the prog/fusion , yet .....

Well, like I say, I cant really put it to words.

[AllenLowe]

here;s the organist for you - Edna Boyle:

[Guest Wallace]

Great show!

You ever see the old Monty Python series episode with the (Austrian?) fairy story where the king was obssessed with his combo organ and basically forced everyone to listen?

Or that brief (well-known) scene with the naked Terry Jones at the Hammond - L model spinet,right?

[Stefan Wood]

A different perspective is always welcome on this board.

Over the years, I have become more interested in jazz beyond the US borders - been a fan of Nucleus, Embryo, Peter Brotzmann, The Thing, etc.

[Guest Wallace]

Excellent artists, but I have to say not familiar with "The Thing".

.....

That picture of the Boyles has me thinking - Jimmy Smith having The Beast hauled on-board Radio Caroline!

Anyone viewed that episode of House at the end of where Laurie plays the Hammond (but, apparently, its difficult to identify the model)??

[Guest Wallace]

What of?:

Leon Spencer

Melvin Sparks

Freddie Roach

Should I bag 'em?

Edited July 25, 2010 by Wallace