All Monk : The Riverside Album - WTF????

[tranemonk]

thanks man... I appreciate it...

Bummer on the no liner notes.. but as a way of getting this early Monk... $80 is ridiculous! :excited: :excited:

I only have 3 or 4 of those early dates... What I find interesting is how much of a profit can they really make profit on this stuff? I mean even though they aren't adding anything you're talking about $5 a CD...

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not complaining...

okay well since everyone seems a bit indifferent to this.. two final questions...

1) If this is similar to the Miles set could someone post some photos (and discuss) the packaging. Even if they are in slipcases 16Cds is a lot.

2) Compared to the 1991 boxed set... How is the sound? And do we have an idea about alternate or unreleased takes???

thanks... I've got all the Columbia Monk but little of the Riverside...

Is ANYONE getting this?

Below is a picture of the Miles box. The discs themselves are in thin cardboard slipcases, just like the Original Album Classics series and the recent Black Saint/Soul Note sets. They are exactly the same as the old OJCs. No new remastering, no new alternates, no new notes.

I will be getting the set as a) I like this style of packaging and b) I don't really have $250+ to drop on the old Riverside box.

[kenny weir]

I'm glad I've got the Riverside box. FWIW, I can think of no other set where the alternative takes are so richly rewarding or essential.

[jazzbo]

I agree that they are richly rewarding and essential, but there are other sets. . . Bird's Savoy and Dial for example.

This music is well worth getting, in what ever form.

[king ubu]

Nah, Bird's Savoy & Dial, all in one - 8CDs, and one of the most glorious sets ever!

Each alternate is worth having there, even if it's just a few seconds of a false start!

As for the Monk set, I fetched one of the cheap ones, without book (anyone has scans of that to offer? Please PM in that case!), and I agree: the whole bunch of music, including alternates, is great to have!

[AllenLowe]

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I can't wait for their next release:

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Edited July 22, 2010 by AllenLowe

[Victor Christensen]

Looks Interesting, but I will not get it, I already have 10 of the Riversides.

Vic

[tranemonk]

Since I'm in the middle of Robin Kelley's book on Monk (The Life and Times of A True American Original)... I'm even anticipating even more this set. For those of you who bought the Miles set.. I know they didn't do anything to the discs (e., remastering, etc.) but are there ANY liner notes?? How do you know who's playing on each disc??? Is it printed on the back of each slipcase? Or is there a booklet? :unsure: :unsure:

thanks

okay well since everyone seems a bit indifferent to this.. two final questions...

1) If this is similar to the Miles set could someone post some photos (and discuss) the packaging. Even if they are in slipcases 16Cds is a lot.

2) Compared to the 1991 boxed set... How is the sound? And do we have an idea about alternate or unreleased takes???

thanks... I've got all the Columbia Monk but little of the Riverside...

Is ANYONE getting this?

Below is a picture of the Miles box. The discs themselves are in thin cardboard slipcases, just like the Original Album Classics series and the recent Black Saint/Soul Note sets. They are exactly the same as the old OJCs. No new remastering, no new alternates, no new notes.

I will be getting the set as a) I like this style of packaging and b) I don't really have $250+ to drop on the old Riverside box.

[Niko]

didn't put much effort into this list - but i just count 15... is there anything obvious missing? otherwise ideas for disc 16 would be the outtakes disc San Francisco Holiday or the sideman appearance with Clark Terry... but those wouldn't be typical for the series, or? on a related note, will these discs probably have alternate takes?

Plays the Music of Duke Ellington

The Unique Thelonious Monk

Brilliant Corners

Thelonious Himself

With John Coltrane

Monk's Music

Mulligan Meets Monk

Thelonious in Action

Misterioso

At Town Hall

5 by Monk by 5

Alone in San Francisco

At the Blackhawk

In France

In Italy

[J.A.W.]

I don't know which albums this "new" Monk box has, but the following albums were included in the older box The Complete Riverside Recordings:

Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington

The Unique Thelonious Monk

Brilliant Corners

Thelonious Himself

Monk's Music (both the mono and stereo versions)

Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane

Thelonious in Action

Misterioso

Thelonious Monk Orchestra at Town Hall

Five by Monk by Five

Thelonious Alone in San Francisco

Thelonious Monk at the Blackhawk

Monk's Greatest Hits

Monk in Italy

Two Hours with Thelonious

The Thelonious Monk Story

Monk in France

Gerry Mulligan's album Mulligan Meets Monk

Ernie Henry's album Last Chorus

Clark Terry's album Blues in Orbit

[brownie]

The Complete Riverside box also marked the first appearance ever of three tunes from the April 28 & 29, 1960 sessions with Joe Gordon, Harold Land, Charlie Rouse, John Ore and Shelly Manne!

[J.A.W.]

I got this e-mail from Downtown Music Gallery in New York, with all the details of the European Monk box:

Incredible Import-Only Bargain!

Released by Universal, owner of the master tapes - not some fly-by-night label

We have just 4 brand-new sealed copies of this Fabulous NEW Monk -

Riverside Box in from Italy - We're hoping for another 35 to come in,

in about 2 weeks, but in the meantime, these 4 can go out Right Away

- and the rest who order will be sent their's when the rest arrive...

THELONIOUS MONK With JOHN COLTRANE/GERRY MULLIGAN/SONNY ROLLINS/GIGI

GRYCE/JOHNNY GRIFFIN/CHARLIE ROUSE/MAX ROACH/ART BLAKEY et al - All

Monk - The Riverside Albums: Plays Duke Ellington/The

Unique/Brilliant Corners/Thelonious Himself/Monk's Music/With John

Coltrane/Mulligan Meets Monk/In Action/Misterioso/Monk Orchestra At

Town Hall/5 By Monk By 5/Alone In San Francisco/At The Blackhawk/In

France/In Italy/San Francisco Holiday [16 CD box set]

(Riverside/Universal; Italy)

129 tracks - all 16 albums on 16 CDs!

1) Thelonious Monk Plays The Music Of Duke Ellington: Thelonious Monk

(p) Oscar Pettiford (b) Kenny Clarke (d) - all 8 original album cuts

2) The Unique: Thelonious Monk (p) Oscar Pettiford (b) Art Blakey (d)

- all 7 original album cuts

3) Brilliant Corners: Ernie Henry (as) Sonny Rollins (ts) Thelonious

Monk (p) Oscar Pettiford (b) Max Roach (d) - all 5 original album cuts

4) Thelonious Himself - all 8 original album cuts PLUS Bonus 22

minute cut of 'Round Midnite (In Progress)'

5) Monk's Music: Coleman Hawkins (ts) Thelonious Monk (p) Wilbur Ware

(b) Art Blakey (d) + John Coltrane (ts) Ray Copeland (tp) Gigi Gryce

(as) - all 6 original album cuts PLUS Bonus alternate takes of 'Off

Minor' and 'Crepuscule With Nellie'

6) With John Coltrane (originally issued on Jazzland, Riverside's

sister label): John Coltrane (ts) Thelonious Monk (p) Wilbur Ware (b)

Shadow Wilson (d) Ray Copeland (tp) Gigi Gryce (as) Coleman Hawkins

(ts) Art Blakey (d) - all 5 original album cuts PLUS Bonus cut

'Epistrophy (Alternate Take)'

7) Mulligan Meets Monk: Gerry Mulligan (bars) Thelonious Monk (p)

Wilbur Ware (b) Shadow Wilson (d) - all 7 original album cuts PLUS

Bonus alternate takes of 'I Mean You' and 'Straight No Chaser'

8) Thelonious In Action - Live At The Five Spot: Johnny Griffin (ts)

Thelonious Monk (p) Ahmed Abdul-Malik (b) Roy Haynes (d) - all 7

original album cuts PLUS Bonus cuts 'In Walked Bud/Epistrophy',

'Blues Five Spot' and 2 minute 'Unidentified Piano Solo'

9) Misterioso: Johnny Griffin (ts) Thelonious Monk (p) Ahmed

Abdul-Malik (b) Roy Haynes (d) - all 6 original album cuts PLUS Bonus

cuts 'Round Midnight' and 'Evidence'

10) Thelonious Monk Orchestra At Town Hall: Donald Byrd (tp) Eddie

Bert (tb) Bob Northern (frh) Jay McAllister (tu) Phil Woods (as)

Charlie Rouse (ts) Pepper Adams (bars) Thelonious Monk (p) Sam Jones

(b) Art Taylor (d) - all 5 original album cuts including complete

version of 'Thelonious' PLUS Bonus cut 'Little Rootie Tootie'

11) 5 By Monk By 5: Thad Jones (cor) Charlie Rouse (ts) Thelonious

Monk (p) Sam Jones (b) Art Taylor (d) - all 5 original album cuts

PLUS Bonus take of 'Play Twice'

12) Thelonious Alone In San Francisco - all 10 original album cuts

PLUS Bonus alternate 'There's A Danger In Your Eyes, Cherie'

13) At The Blackhawk: Joe Gordon (tp) Harold Land, Charlie Rouse (ts)

Thelonious Monk (p) John Ore (b) Billy Higgins (d) - all 5 original

album cuts PLUS Bonus cuts 'Evidence', 'Epistrophy (Complete)',

'Epistrophy (Closing Theme)'

14) In France: Charlie Rouse (ts) Thelonious Monk (p) John Ore (b)

Frankie Dunlop (d) - all 6 original album cuts PLUS Bonus cuts 'Body

And Soul (Solo Version)' and 'Crepuscule With Nellie'

15) In Italy: Charlie Rouse (ts) Thelonious Monk (p) John Ore (b)

Frankie Dunlop (d) - all 8 original album cuts

16) San Francisco Holiday (actually originally issued on Milestone,

but compiled from recordings commisioned by Riverside): Contains 10

unreleased tracks from gigs recorded between 1959 and 1961: 3 quartet

cuts from the same Monk Orchestra 1959 show that yielded the 'At Town

Hall' album with Rouse, Sam Jones, and Art Taylor; 1 cut from a July

1958 Quartet show at the Five Spot with Griffin, Abdul-Malik, and Art

Blakey, right before the August shows of 'In Action'; 3 cuts from the

same night that yielded the 'At The Blackhawk' album with Land,

Gordon, Rouse, Ore, and Higgins; and 3 cuts from the same Paris

concert that yielded the 'In France' with Rouse, Ore, and Dunlop

(these 3 cuts, together with the 'In France' material, are roughly

more than the contents of the original double LP 'Two Hours With

Thelonious')

(NOTE - The expensive [$225], and now out-of-print, U.S. Monk -

Complete Riverside Recordings Box was 15 discs BUT had 153 tracks,

which included the Clark Terry Quartet record with Monk, other

alternate takes, and a few Monk cameos on other Riverside artist's

albums. This current box only has the 129 Monk tracks that were

originaly released on his own LP albums, plus a few alternates, and

the Jazzland and Milestone relevant material. But, at $5.60 a disc,

who could complain?!?! This is exactly what should be required for

study by the instructors of Intro To/Jazz 101 at all universities!)

16 CD Box Set for $90 !!!

[Niko]

so it's indeed the 15 albums I listed above plus San Francisco Holiday... thanks!

Edited August 30, 2010 by Niko

[tranemonk]

Nice!! :party: :party:

Thank you so much..I've still got my order on amazon... It's a little bit cheaper but they made me wait until late Sept./early Oct... :angry:

[John L]

Since I'm in the middle of Robin Kelley's book on Monk (The Life and Times of A True American Original)... I'm even anticipating even more this set. For those of you who bought the Miles set.. I know they didn't do anything to the discs (e., remastering, etc.) but are there ANY liner notes?? How do you know who's playing on each disc??? Is it printed on the back of each slipcase? Or is there a booklet? :unsure: :unsure:

This web site is full of Monk liner notes, reviews, and discographical information: My link

[colinmce]

Thanks for the link. I've always had trouble untangling pre-Blue Note Monk appearances.

[GA Russell]

didn't put much effort into this list - but i just count 15... is there anything obvious missing? otherwise ideas for disc 16 would be the outtakes disc San Francisco Holiday or the sideman appearance with Clark Terry... but those wouldn't be typical for the series, or? on a related note, will these discs probably have alternate takes?

Plays the Music of Duke Ellington

The Unique Thelonious Monk

Brilliant Corners

Thelonious Himself

With John Coltrane

Monk's Music

Mulligan Meets Monk

Thelonious in Action

Misterioso

At Town Hall

5 by Monk by 5

Alone in San Francisco

At the Blackhawk

In France

In Italy

Thanks for that list! I didn't realize that I already have 12 of those albums, which is to say that I'm not missing much. So when the time comes I'll just go for what I don't have rather than a complete set.

[Niko]

Thanks for the link. I've always had trouble untangling pre-Blue Note Monk appearances.

you leave me puzzled with this one...

[J.A.W.]

Thanks for the link. I've always had trouble untangling pre-Blue Note Monk appearances.

you leave me puzzled with this one...

I think he means the link in post #39, above his post #40 It would have been easier if he had quoted the post.

[GA Russell]

Other than the Coleman Hawkins sides included with the Prestige box, what pre-Blue Note Monk sides are there?

[bertrand]

I'm missing something - why are the tapes owned by Universal? I thought Concord owned the Fantasy stuff, including Riverside.

Bertrand.

[Chuck Nessa]

Concord has a distribution deal with Universal. That's all.

[John L]

Other than the Coleman Hawkins sides included with the Prestige box, what pre-Blue Note Monk sides are there?

I presume that he means the live recordings from Minton's and Diz's big band.

[colinmce]

Yes, that's what I mean. I have the Everest Jazz Immortal, but I'd like to know all there is.

[David Ayers]

I don't have time as I'm getting ready for a conference, but I was quickly trying to work out from DMG's email to Hans which tracks, apart from the Clark Terry album, are missing from the new set (compared to the old one, which I am currently spinning). It was so complicated I couldn't work out which tracks were missing with accuracy. Since some of the missing tracks are third or fourth versions or partial takes it strikes me you don't lose too much. Out of curiosity, does anyone have time to mark up Couw's Monk transcript to show which tracks are missing? Uh, you know, when you're ready... (stuff like this drives me nuts, I like system and order... oh and chaos, filth and blurred margins I also like...

Edited September 6, 2010 by David Ayers